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Well of course if you believe the official report on 9/11, (the catalyst for everything that's happening now) 3 commercial airliners full of people allowed a handful of terrorists armed with tiny knives to somehow fly said aircraft into the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, completely destroying the WTC and killing around 3000 innocent people.

Since then, we've been involved in two of the longest running wars in history, hundreds of thousands of people have died, trillions of dollars have been spent on the war effort, and the west has more enemies now than ever before. The world is not a better place for "The war on terror". 

I've often wondered, what if those passengers had been able to over power the terrorists and those planes safely landed, what the world would be like today? Cheers, Terry.

Actually on Flight 93 the passengers did take action. Sadly, it did not end well for passengers. Who knows where that plane was actually headed.

Standing with my Son on a hilltop watching the towers come down I wanted blood. He asked me what was going to happen now. I said "the world will never be the same."

Too right Mate, "the war on terror" has not made the world safer, it is spreading more war. Today, Iran of all places had a terrorist attack, there is dissension among Arab countries breaking out. The #$%* storm just keeps getting stronger.
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I see they found the 8th victim of the London Bridge massacre floating in the Thames yesterday. I'm surprised that no-one thought to look to see if anyone was knocked off the bridge? I hope he didn't drown.......
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Gandhi said it.
An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.
It's heading that way at this rate.

Islam is more like "cut my eye and I'll rape your sister before cutting your brothers head off."

Not the brightest bunch.

At least the poofters have started going after political targets.  Better they have their war against a government than decent hard working people.

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I see they found the 8th victim of the London Bridge massacre floating in the Thames yesterday. I'm surprised that no-one thought to look to see if anyone was knocked off the bridge? I hope he didn't drown.......

That was sad indeed. He was a French gentleman who was flagged as missing since the day of the tragedy. One can only speculate as to whether he had the presence to jump as the van approached ? ?

Have you seen the reportage of one of the three thugs having lived in Ireland for a while. Was an avid library goer for some reason.

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Well my mum is a retired librarian Kev, and I've always been a tad suspicious of her, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that library's are a hot bed for radicalization and training of Muslim bookworms............ ;D
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I see they found the 8th victim of the London Bridge massacre floating in the Thames yesterday. I'm surprised that no-one thought to look to see if anyone was knocked off the bridge? I hope he didn't drown.......

That was sad indeed. He was a French gentleman who was flagged as missing since the day of the tragedy. One can only speculate as to whether he had the presence to jump as the van approached ? ?

Have you seen the reportage of one of the three thugs having lived in Ireland for a while. Was an avid library goer for some reason.

Kev

He was probably using their computers to try to avoid using his own machine to communicate with his buddies.
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How come it is in this country when we declare war on something things get more and more #$%*ed up than things getting better concerning that something?

War on poverty (nope), war on drugs (are you #$%*ing kidding me?), war on terror (fustercluck situation we have now).

Methinks we need to quit declaring war on #$%* and do something positive instead.
 
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I see they found the 8th victim of the London Bridge massacre floating in the Thames yesterday. I'm surprised that no-one thought to look to see if anyone was knocked off the bridge? I hope he didn't drown.......

That was sad indeed. He was a French gentleman who was flagged as missing since the day of the tragedy. One can only speculate as to whether he had the presence to jump as the van approached ? ?

Have you seen the reportage of one of the three thugs having lived in Ireland for a while. Was an avid library goer for some reason.

Kev

He was probably using their computers to try to avoid using his own machine to communicate with his buddies.

Spot on. That's exactly the angle they are pursuing there.

Kev

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How come it is in this country when we declare war on something things get more and more #$%*ed up than things getting better concerning that something?

Quick answer is that war, whatever the justification or target, is usually more about making rich guys richer than it is about righting wrongs.
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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.

The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam 😑

Not the best PR marketing campaign.

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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.
The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam 😑
Not the best PR marketing campaign.

You are missing the logic. If you don't want convert you die. As simple as that.
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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.
The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam 😑
Not the best PR marketing campaign.
You are missing the logic. If you don't want convert you die. As simple as that.

Well, sorry, my family already coverted to christendom when the romans invaded the english isles.

I'll stick with my ancestral blacksmithing goddess tyvm!

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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.
The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam 😑
Not the best PR marketing campaign.
You are missing the logic. If you don't want convert you die. As simple as that.

Well, sorry, my family already coverted to christendom when the romans invaded the english isles.

I'll stick with my ancestral blacksmithing goddess tyvm!

Well, we put up a fight when the Romans tried to impress their religious beliefs on us too, but relented after they gave us proper drainage and nice straight roads. This current crop of thugs have absolutely nothing to offer and have only their slime trails to leave as a legacy.

Thanks for the link to that video Kev, very satisfying viewing.
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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.
The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam 😑
Not the best PR marketing campaign.
You are missing the logic. If you don't want convert you die. As simple as that.

Well, sorry, my family already coverted to christendom when the romans invaded the english isles.

I'll stick with my ancestral blacksmithing goddess tyvm!

Well, we put up a fight when the Romans tried to impress their religious beliefs on us too, but relented after they gave us proper drainage and nice straight roads. This current crop of thugs have absolutely nothing to offer and have only their slime trails to leave as a legacy.
Thanks for the link to that video Kev, very satisfying viewing.

Well, how many times can we begin a paragraph with "Well,"?

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Waging war for peace is like #$%*ing for virginity.
The jihadi's are waging war so everyone wants to convert to islam
Not the best PR marketing campaign.
You are missing the logic. If you don't want convert you die. As simple as that.

Well, sorry, my family already coverted to christendom when the romans invaded the english isles.

I'll stick with my ancestral blacksmithing goddess tyvm!

Well, we put up a fight when the Romans tried to impress their religious beliefs on us too, but relented after they gave us proper drainage and nice straight roads. This current crop of thugs have absolutely nothing to offer and have only their slime trails to leave as a legacy.
Thanks for the link to that video Kev, very satisfying viewing.

Well, how many times can we begin a paragraph with "Well,"?

Well, it's a lot less irritating than beginning a paragraph with 'so'. ;D
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We are taught "run, hide, fight" to answer the initial post. If you can get out, go. If you can't, hide. If there are a few of you, or even one willing to try, fight and possibly save others.
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We are taught "run, hide, fight" to answer the initial post. If you can get out, go. If you can't, hide. If there are a few of you, or even one willing to try, fight and possibly save others.

That's what I had been hoping to hear as the accepted doctrine here also. Alas no. Were our school to be attacked and I were to try and mount a resistance, I suspect I would be trampled upon by 200 leftward leaning teachers getting out of Dodge without a care in the world about their 1600 students.

Before the Gendarmerie came to impart their pearls of wisdom we had our own internal meeting where we discussed how a situation of crisis would be signalled in the school. With pride it was announced by the school management that the system that signals commencement of classes had been programmed to broadcast an emergency series of tones to announce an attack. I asked where this signal can be triggered from, the ladies in reception by the main door was the reply. Imagine my popularity when I pointed out that in the event of an attack they would most likely to be the first to die and the desired signal might never get raised.

The next item of the agenda was swiftly discussed, something about books or maybe paperclips.

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Head in the sand syndrome Kev. You get used to it in the NHS too.

A less alarming, but nevertheless life-threatening scenario was played out here on the east coast of England last year. A tidal swell was expected, threatening the coastal town of Jaywick (anyone watched 'Benefits by the Sea'?) within which several of our mental health clients resided. Some of these were 'difficult to engage' people, the kind who wouldn't open their door to you let alone leave their homes, and they were in imminent danger of drowning. We were instructed to prioritise these folk and ensure their safety. How? By holding back the sea? You couldn't drag them out, you'd be arrested for assault. When we voiced our concerns, the management were unanimously silent.

Fortunately the British forecasters lived up to their reputation and the disaster didn't happen, but the parallel to be drawn here is the clear lack of direction from those who are in paid positions to ensure there are robust contingency measures in the event of the unexpected. Easier to ignore the threat, hope it never happens in your own backyard, and take your inflated pension unscathed.
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I can't see this happening in France : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40353408

Is this a good idea ?

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I can't see this happening in France : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40353408
Is this a good idea ?
Kev

Maybe it will help the parents to think twice before screaming at the teacher.  When their snot-nosed brat is in deep trouble for acting out and a teacher conference is called.

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With most of my public school teachers being barely competent enough to teach the class in the first place I sure as hell would not want a gun in their possession. I am pretty sure it hasn't gotten any better since when I was a wee lad.
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Education is usually the answer to many problems.

I find it refreshing that there are at least some teachers (voluntary) willing to learn about gun handling and capabilities, taking responsibility, and offering to be part of the solution to belligerent behavior, in part caused by well meaning but naive legislators.

"Gun free zones" is an idealistic and naive response which only provided a target rich environment, meant to further the total gun ban effort, created by the gun ban faction in support of their goals.  They created a problem for which "their" answer is the preferred solution.  And, the ghouls think a few children harmed is a necessary means toward their ultimate goal, just so they can say "see, we told you so."

Most teachers I encounter would rather run away and hide from a violent individual and hope the perpetrator directs their energies toward someone else.  And then have some henchmen deal with the issue and the paperwork, rather than they become responsible for actual corrective behavior and proper guidance.  This irresponsibility is then propagated on a daily basis to their students, taking the naive stance that all guns are bad no matter who wields it and then teach that to the student body.  This teaching dichotomy will eventually be exposed by those who can actually think and analyze using latter added knowledge, and then question what other falsehoods those in apparent authority have foisted upon them.  In some cases this actually promulgates the creation of militant individuals of which authoritarians are so fearful, particularly in those widespread "rebellious years" when they realize they have been lied to for the "convenience" of the teachers and others in apparent authority.

This latter approach is NO education.  And, in fact, fear used as a weapon in its propagation.  Because fear is a deep emotional response, the media will place it in prominence before the public eyes and thoughts, as it promotes advertising income.

Social behavior is what society makes it and responsibility for ones actions cannot be legislated, only enforced after the fact.  I for one resent social engineering attempts painted with a broad brush which punishes the good for those actions of the bad.

As much as it would be convenient, a single solution to a social problem will never be effective if it treats a machine with the contempt better placed on the specific operator.

Society is best served with quashing unsocial destructive behavior at the moment of offense.  Personal threats aren't routinely misdiagnosed by an individual with education.  A swift and appropriate response enhances the social behavioral norm.

Who wants to live in a social body with a growing number of cancer cells?  Or, are they just misunderstood?
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