Topic: Curmudgeon introduction

[curmudgeon]

Hello to all.  As you can probably guess from my user name, I'm an old boy.  Be turning 70 in a couple of months.  I am retired and living in southern Vermont.  I was an active duty soldier for 21 years and retired as a senior Warrant Officer in 1990.  And no, I was not a rotor head!  I was an engineer, properly, an engineer maintenance technician. 
At this time, my toys include a 2014 Camaro SS, 1982 Suzuki GL1100, 1978 CB750F (now an 836), and a 1977 CB750F (also an 836) that is a work in progress.  As far as projects go, I just fired up for the first time my 836cc "Black Engine" yesterday.  It has a completely rebuilt "F" head, new cam, new cam and primary chains and tensioners, special Wiseco pistons for the "F" black engine, stronger rods, and a lightened, polished, and balanced crank. I have a tri-Y header and K&N pod filters.  I had my engine machine work done and performance parts bought from CycleX.  Generally, when a completely rebuilt engine is fired up for the first time you can expect some problems.  My problem is an excess of oil pressure!!!  I'd be very happy to share some with those who are having problems with low oil pressure.   Between 1500 and 2000 rpm I'm pinning a 100psi guage.   Any suggestions or ideas as to what i did, would be welcomed before I tear the base off.
I've been riding bikes since 1972 when I bought my first one which was a CB450 that  lasted 7000 miles until I high-sided it. Traded in my crashed and burned 450 for a '73 750K.  That was a fine piece of equipment.  I've owned besides Hondas;  Kawasakis, Suzukis, and Triumph.  Never developed an affinity for Harleys.  My only other claim to fame as a biker was being a Finisher of the SCMA 4-Corners of the USA in 2005 and earning my "fancy pin".  It was a solo documented ride that took me 14 days to collect the corners and on the 19th I pulled into my driveway.  It was a little over 10K miles in 19 days so I call it an "Iron Butt" for wimps . Well, it's beer time.  I'll have my ear close to the ground hoping to hear from someone.  My best to all.

[MD]

Welcome from NE, MN.

High today of 58

-MD

[RAFster122s]

Welcome from TN

[Kevin D]

2005. 19 days.  10K miles  4-Corners

Not at all shabby.
 Was this on the Suzy?
 I don't know the SCMA 4corners...
 does that include Seattle, San Diego, KeyWest, and Acadia?

There is an SOHC4 party this summer near Durango.
Welcome from MI!

[Gene]

You don't need to be old to be a curmudgeon, but it doesn't hurt

Welcome from CA.

[curmudgeon]

Hello Minnesota,

, I complain about the shortness of the season here in Vermont.  But, 58 degrees near the end of June really bites.  I guess I shouldn't complain quite so much.  A few years ago, when I worked in the science dept. of a public highschool, I commuted by bike the 25 or so miles to from home down I-91 along side of the Connecticutt River.  In late fall, the river was warm and the air was cold so there was a lot of fog along the river.  When I got to the school I looked like a glazed donut.  The fog had frozen on my suit and generally all over the cold part of the bike.  It was at that time I decided I wasn't one of them "rounders", you know, the manly men that ride year round.  So Buddy, If you can ride up in NE, MN in gthe short season that I know you have with a smile on your face, my hats off to you.
Curm

[curmudgeon]

Hi Kevin,
I just lost my reply to you about the SCMA 4 Corners and my ride.  I went back to check your message to see if I had answered your questions and my 500 words or so reply just disappeared.  Being a gentleman of a certain age, I have my problems with today's technology.    As I tell people, my only telephone sits on the counter in the kitchen, with a wire connecting it to the wall, like how telephones belong!!!  Anyway, IF you are interested in knowing something about my 19 day journey, let me know and I'll compose a "short story".  Maybe you remember a little situation called Katrina that took place that summer.  FYI, the Four Corners are Madawaska, Maine; Key West, Florida; San Ysidro, California; and Blaine, Washington.  I didn't do the tour on my '82 GL but on an '03 Suzuki 1200 Bandit.  SCMA is the Southern California Motorcycle Assoc.  Google it and you'll get a lot of your questions answered.
Curm

[curmudgeon]

Gene,

Curmudgeon sounds good as long as you don't see this little, old, bespectacled, bald, fat, grandpa.  I look in the mirror and can't believe what I see, at least my wife still thinks I'm kinda "hot"  .  She doesn't raise a fuss about me riding my bikes, tho she is well aware of what some wit said about falling off of a bike,  "young guys bounce and old guys just splat".
Curm

[curmudgeon]

RAF122S

Greetings to you in TN.  Question:  How in the world do you have 5000 plus replies?  Are you one of the originals?  FWIW, I'm impressed and I'm not saying that to be a wise butt.  Hope the summer is going well for you.
Curm

[RAFster122s]

Maybe I suffer from verbal diahrrea sometimes?  with time...you to can achieve high numbers...  I guess I am interested in many threads and some are more fun to participate in and others I watch more...  My numbers pale in comparison to many here...  Terry in Australia and Stev-O have pretty high post counts.
I've only been here since 2010 I believe...

The old sages are out there, I'm not one of them...
Age doesn't make you wise, although sometimes people do get wiser with age...

David

[Kevin D]

SCMA is the Southern California Motorcycle Assoc.  Google it and you'll get a lot of your questions answered.

Yes, I did just that. I reviewed the 15 best roads list. I have been on a few of them, some with my CB, others with the family and Impala. It's a wonderful thing to be on a fine road with a motorcycle, but there is generally 1500 miles of prairie between here and there to be "enjoyed".

My problem is an excess of oil pressure!!! 100psi

 The oil pump has a relief valve that's supposed to open at 60? 70? Sorry I don't know the number, but it's less than 100. Post in the tech forum and you will get lots better help than what I can offer. I have read far more posts about the leak stopper valve misbehaving and allowing the oil tank to empty into the sump.

I just lost my reply to you

It happens to me too. Some times I copy what I have written or break it into separate posts. Frustrating.

[Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er]

Greetings from another older timer in CO.

70psi is the relief spring value I do believe. Check your gauge with a replacement before you pull your oil pump though.

[curmudgeon]

Greetings from another older timer in CO.

70psi is the relief spring value I do believe. Check your gauge with a replacement before you pull your oil pump though.

Hey MF'er, If I may take the liberty:
Discovered why I had excess oil pressure.  I hate to break it to another old timer, but I had a senior moment and installed the pressure relief valve in backwards!!!   Basically, I was getting straight pump pressure that only varied by RPM.  These oil pumps, especially gear pumps will develop "considerable" pressure.
Thanks for the suggestion, only I "knew" that the guage was good.  My screw-up allowed me to drop the oil and look at the amount of microscopic iron in solution after ten minutes of start-up in newly bored and honed cylinders with new rings.  As soon as I get the pump installed and the base put on, she will get fresh oil and we'll try it again.
Curm

[curmudgeon]

SCMA is the Southern California Motorcycle Assoc.  Google it and you'll get a lot of your questions

My problem is an excess of oil pressure!!! 100psi

 The oil pump has a relief valve that's supposed to open at 60? 70? Sorry I don't know the number, but it's less than 100.

Hi Kevin:
I discovered the source of my engine's high oil pressure.  I had had a senior moment as I was putting the oil pump back together and installed the pressure relief valve in backwards!!!  I was getting straight pump pressure that only varied by RPM. I have corrected it and am reinstalling the pump and base this afternoon.  I am changing the oil since what I drained has plenty of microscopic iron in solution from freshly bored and honed cylinders and new rings.  I just as soon put fresh in again since it can't hurt and then start it up again.
Curm

[Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er]

LMAO 

[Kevin D]

That's great, Curm! Now we can get to tales of Four Corners and new adventures. Can you put a photo of your ride up?

[rockthemidwest]

Welcome from IL!

[larecords]

welcome from the GREAT WHITE NORTH...and us curmudgeons need to start a club!Haha

[curmudgeon]

Hi Kevin,
Haven't been on line 'cause I have been having fun with my oil pump.  After fixing my screw up with the relief valve I put it back together.  The biggest hassle has been taking off and putting on the tri-y pipe.  It fits so tight that the first time I put it on I had to use a ratchet strap to force it on far enough to get some nuts on the studs.  Anyway, I fired it up and got decent oil pressure (cold oil).  As it warmed up at idle the pressure kept dropping until I was at 5 psi +/- .  Just didn't like pressure that low.  I had read that a shim at .030" would boost pressure a few pounds.  I took the pipes off and dropped the oil and base and shimmed the relief valve at .055".  Put the darned thing back together again and fired it up.  Now, I've got decent oil pressure at idle with hot oil (15 psi).  As rpm increases, pressure builds up to 80 psi and then the relief valve goes to work and that is where the pressure stays.  I'm happy with that.  The next story is my clutch.  Started the engine and put it in gear for the first time.  Applied some rear brake and the engine kept idling and the rear tire stopped turning.  That was my latest WTF moment.  OK major clutch slip and WHY???  What it turns out is the old truth about "a little knowledge can be dangerous".  I had listened to a web site where the demonstrator questioned why Honda had put in a double steel in the clutch pack.  Well if this guy doesn't know the purpose of the double steel, why the heck do I need to have one?  I have all new friction disks and steels and springs.  The answer, you don't have a clutch!!  So, my project today is to pull the clutch and install the double in the middle of the pack, making sure I have seven frictions, 5 steels and one double steel.  Some day soon, maybe even today, I'm going to get this bike off of the stand and actually ride it.  At least the Suzy is running.  Rode a hundred miles yesterday for an ice cream.  Got rid of the blahs.
       Here's a question for you.  How the heck do I get out of this "INTRODUCTION" thread(?).  Or am I doomed to stay here until I find something to comment on in another thread.  If I do that, How would I stay in touch with those who are interested in my travails with my F model?  I would hate to lose the LMAO from folks reading about my WTF moments, know what I mean?  Well, I'm going to grab a coffee and go out in the garage and pull a clutch.  Have a nice Fourth!
Curm

[Kevin D]

How the heck do I get out of this "INTRODUCTION" thread(?).

Here's a link to ALL the sohc4 forums:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php

Your clutch problem should go in the tech forum/sohc4 bikes, or, if you are going to go through the entire bike you could start a thread in the tech forum/project shop. All your work and progress could be saved in one thread.

I usually start at the top of the page, and just below yourHello curmudgeon greeting there are the choices: Show posts: New unread/All unread/New replies/Recents.
I go through the new replies and the new unread at least once a day.
Hope this covers what you're looking for.

[scottly]

Hi Kevin,
I just lost my reply to you about the SCMA 4 Corners and my ride.  I went back to check your message to see if I had answered your questions and my 500 words or so reply just disappeared.  Being a gentleman of a certain age, I have my problems with today's technology.    As I tell people, my only telephone sits on the counter in the kitchen, with a wire connecting it to the wall, like how telephones belong!!!  Anyway, IF you are interested in knowing something about my 19 day journey, let me know and I'll compose a "short story".  Maybe you remember a little situation called Katrina that took place that summer.  FYI, the Four Corners are Madawaska, Maine; Key West, Florida; San Ysidro, California; and Blaine, Washington.  I didn't do the tour on my '82 GL but on an '03 Suzuki 1200 Bandit.  SCMA is the Southern California Motorcycle Assoc.  Google it and you'll get a lot of your questions answered.
Curm

Welcome Curm! There is a section devoted to travel logs; if you care to share your tale with us, this would be the proper place:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/board,60.0.html

[Kevin D]

share your tale with us

+1
I'd like to read that travel log!

[HondaMan]

Hi Kevin,
Haven't been on line 'cause I have been having fun with my oil pump.  After fixing my screw up with the relief valve I put it back together.  The biggest hassle has been taking off and putting on the tri-y pipe.  It fits so tight that the first time I put it on I had to use a ratchet strap to force it on far enough to get some nuts on the studs.  Anyway, I fired it up and got decent oil pressure (cold oil).  As it warmed up at idle the pressure kept dropping until I was at 5 psi +/- .  Just didn't like pressure that low.  I had read that a shim at .030" would boost pressure a few pounds.  I took the pipes off and dropped the oil and base and shimmed the relief valve at .055".  Put the darned thing back together again and fired it up.  Now, I've got decent oil pressure at idle with hot oil (15 psi).  As rpm increases, pressure builds up to 80 psi and then the relief valve goes to work and that is where the pressure stays.  I'm happy with that.  The next story is my clutch.  Started the engine and put it in gear for the first time.  Applied some rear brake and the engine kept idling and the rear tire stopped turning.  That was my latest WTF moment.  OK major clutch slip and WHY???  What it turns out is the old truth about "a little knowledge can be dangerous".  I had listened to a web site where the demonstrator questioned why Honda had put in a double steel in the clutch pack.  Well if this guy doesn't know the purpose of the double steel, why the heck do I need to have one?  I have all new friction disks and steels and springs.  The answer, you don't have a clutch!!  So, my project today is to pull the clutch and install the double in the middle of the pack, making sure I have seven frictions, 5 steels and one double steel.  Some day soon, maybe even today, I'm going to get this bike off of the stand and actually ride it.  At least the Suzy is running.  Rode a hundred miles yesterday for an ice cream.  Got rid of the blahs.
       Here's a question for you.  How the heck do I get out of this "INTRODUCTION" thread(?).  Or am I doomed to stay here until I find something to comment on in another thread.  If I do that, How would I stay in touch with those who are interested in my travails with my F model?  I would hate to lose the LMAO from folks reading about my WTF moments, know what I mean?  Well, I'm going to grab a coffee and go out in the garage and pull a clutch.  Have a nice Fourth!
Curm

Hmm...sounds like you could use a book like mine?