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So, I just got accused of being shady....
« on: June 23, 2017, 11:35:02 AM »
 ....on a bike I sold a long time ago.

 I sold my '71 CL350 to a guy about an hour away. He came up, test rode it, we shook hands and he came back a few days later to get it.
 Fast forward several months and he has it listed on Craigslist. A guy in Portland, OR emails me and starts asking questions. Says new owner gave him my info. No problem...I sent pics, explained what I did to it, answered a BUNCH of his questions, etc. We probably exchanged 12-15 emails over the last few weeks.
 The bike shows up and he makes a comment about the condition. Umm, that's exactly how I described it and what was shown in the many, many pics I sent you.
 Today, I get an email....

 Hi John ...

In Eugene we have a motorcycle shop that specializes in vintage Hondas.
I had them go thru the bike to check it out for me. I just got back from there and the results are not good!

I'll assume you didn't know (but Scott must have known because he said he adjusted the valves) that the number one intake valve cam has virtually no lobe left on it (cause unknown at this time).

It is impossible to adjust number one intake because the lobe is so worn off that there is no adjustment (Scott must have known this if he even tried to adjust the valves).

Fixing it means taking the engine apart ... an expense I definitely didn't plan on.

Now on to ... Chapter Two ... don


 I replied: Nope, had zero issues when adjusting the valves and rode the bike extensively.
 Then it hit me....that's not an email from the shop. That's an email from the new owner to the guy he bought it from. Accusing ME of being shady.

 Here's what I then wrote:
"Wait a second... I replied to Don, but after re-reading the email, I feel that I should "reply all".
 Initially, I thought that was a letter from the shop in Eugene, but now I see that Don is writing John and accusing me of some impropriety or, at the very least, of being shady.
 Don, I've answered probably a dozen or more emails from you and sent pics, explained how stuff works, etc. I went through that bike as it was my own and I rode it for several hundred miles before selling it. John viewed the bike in person and even test rode it. We shook hands that day, but he returned at a later date to make the transaction. He had more than one opportunity to walk away. My responsibilities to that bike ended the day I handed over the title.
 I had ZERO issues adjusting the valves or setting the timing (which sort of follows cam operation). To accuse me of being shady is uncalled for and I take offense to it. If you can't work on 45+ year old machinery, or afford to have it done, then maybe vintage bikes aren't for you. Even if you paid the shop to repair it, you'll be back every 1,000 miles or so for points and timing adjustment. And frequent valve adjustments and oil changes are par for the course for bikes of that vintage.
 Good luck with the bike. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did"


 That really rubbed me wrong. I have no idea what the guy in-between did or how he rode the bike. After I bent over backwards talking to a guy on the other side of the country that bought a 46 year old motorcycle from a third party, I took great offense to that.
 There....just had to vent.  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 11:42:13 AM »
He had absolutely no reason or right to contact you. That was between him and the guy you sold it to. Once you handed over the title it's no longer your asset. Sorry this happened to you - guy sounds like a right bastard.
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 11:45:42 AM »
This would have been my reply.

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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 12:32:54 PM »
Let me guess the guy is a hipster that thought he would look cool buying and riding an old bike but never had a thought he would have to work on it. WTF does he expect? A warranty? The tween owner had it long enough to mess things up good enough, why is he bugging you? What a douche.



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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 12:45:39 PM »
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 01:01:44 PM »
Scott, why do you even bother....
The fact that you do, however, shows your integrity.
I would not have been that nice.
But I have been known to be a jackass ;D ;D
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 01:12:07 PM »
Wow.  That is some passive-aggressive asinine BS!!  Why is he calling you out?  You weren't the last owner.  God knows how "John" rode or serviced the bike.

I almost want his email for a reverse Brimmer! (not really)
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 01:32:54 PM »
Finally, you've been discovered! I have always suspected you of a being a shady, flipper, half-jack mechanic. Every time I came down I saw the pile of "junk" in your scrap heap with pictures and labels touting "sandcast" just to take advantage of some unsuspecting hipster vintage collector wannabe. D-bags like you need to be drawn and quartered directly after a good old fashioned Keel Hauling!

(Sorry, been in Miami all week with the yacht crowd so K-H has been a topic).

I hope Bob or Gordon revokes your Moderator privileges to restore the good name of this forum!  >:(
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 01:33:37 PM »
Oh, wait. I just re-read the poster was Scott S. Thought it was someone else.

Nevermind.  ;D
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 01:51:24 PM »
I'm starting to question this so called shop that specializes in vintage Hondas saying that the #1 intake cam lobe is so worn that there isn't enough adjustment. Huh? You set your lash on the base circle of the cam not the lobe, maybe the lobe is worn off but how could the base circle of the cam be so worn out that you would run out of adjustment?

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On second thoughts I guess you could run out of adjustment but the rocker arm would have to be toast.
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 02:04:06 PM »
I'm starting to question this so called shop that specializes in vintage Hondas saying that the #1 intake cam lobe is so worn that there isn't enough adjustment. Huh? You set your lash on the base circle of the cam not the lobe, maybe the lobe is worn off but how could the base circle of the cam be so worn out that you would run out of adjustment?

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On second thoughts I guess you could run out of adjustment but the rocker arm would have to be toast.
ROFL....the shop might have found a 'sucker' and is playing him, and he's lashing out because of the $$ he's been told to pay  ::)
I hope he does  ;D
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
You set your lash on the base circle of the cam not the lobe

Exactly. From the description given it is the shop that is shady here...
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 02:56:04 PM »
 And this is on a bike with just over 4,000 original miles.
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2017, 03:01:04 PM »
Uhhh, yeah, wouldn't the tappet rocker have gone tits up first?

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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 03:02:37 PM »
Damn PDX hipsters!
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 03:31:28 PM »
 I think he's an older guy that's reliving his past. Was super nice until right after the bike got there. He complained about some very minor surface rust on the frame under the seat. I had told him that the bike had some patina and most of it was original and unrestored. I made it clear it wasn't a museum piece, but a nice rider. That should have been a warning shot when he said something about that. Then he said something about a vibration, that it must be the knobby tires. I told him I never noticed anything bu that it WAS a twin and it's gonna vibe a little.
 He must have taken it to the shop a day or two after getting it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 04:23:03 PM »
 I wouldn't waste another thought on it.
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 04:50:45 PM »
I'm with Greg - forget about it.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 04:53:19 PM »
Agreed. Not with your time and not your problem.
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2017, 04:55:11 PM »
Was this the nice blue one Scott ? That was a nice bike when you had it.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2017, 06:09:58 PM »
Was this the nice blue one Scott ? That was a nice bike when you had it.


 Yes, that's the one. He went on and on about it, then did a 180. I have no guilt, but still.....that chapped my ass a little bit.
 I'm thinking that the shop may be taking him for a ride. Or, he's having buyers remorse.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2017, 09:38:02 PM »
Its a 2win and going to vibe a bit..........that they do..that they do..
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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2017, 09:43:41 PM »
Was this the nice blue one Scott ? That was a nice bike when you had it.

That was a nice bike, Scott. 
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1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Offline grcamna2

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Re: So, I just got accused of being shady....
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2017, 11:14:22 PM »
Was this the nice blue one Scott ? That was a nice bike when you had it.


 Yes, that's the one. He went on and on about it, then did a 180. I have no guilt, but still.....that chapped my ass a little bit.
 I'm thinking that the shop may be taking him for a ride. Or, he's having buyers remorse.

I worked on a guys XR650L when I lived/worked back on Cape Cod;the bike had no spark and wouldn't start.I traced the problem to a faulty kill switch,right next to the twist grip.The customer(Todd)had already moved to Bellingham,WA. and wanted me to get the bike running before he had a buddy put it into a shipper's hands. I fixed it temporarily by installing a small jumper wire inside one of the electric plugs and told him he needs a new kill switch.
He received the bike in WA. and right away had a local mechanic look at the problem.The guy removed my jumper wire and the bike still ran.. so he called me up and told me he thought I did unnecessary labor on his bike..  ::) I wonder how much he used the bike until it died on him somewhere out in the boonies w/ a bad kill switch..
I guess the point I'm making is SO many folks have 'Baggage' from other previous repair mechanics/shops/individuals that they just love to place square on the shoulders of a new mechanic as if it's all His fault. Those kind of folks have 'issues'  and i'd rather not work for them;they seem very motivated to go out and find a scapegoat to blame for all their grief.
Not easy to spot these folks but I try to be patient w/ everybody as much as I can.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 11:16:42 PM by grcamna2 »
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