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Newbie with old bike,
« on: June 03, 2005, 05:54:09 AM »
Hi everyone. 
My name is Paul and I just bought a '78 550K that needs a little work (hence the name). As I said, it's a K but it's got a 4 into 1 Jardine exhaust. It starts pretty good and it even idles smoothly. but when a I crack the throttle, it hesitates and gasps. Last night I was listening to it and thought I could hear a knocking at the bottom  :(. After running the motor a few minutes I touched the headers and the 2 on the right (3 & 4?) were cool. So it's probably not coils or points.  I was going to start with the spark plugs tonight, any thoughts?
Thanks.
Paul

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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2005, 06:57:55 AM »
First thing to do with any new bike, particularly when it's not running right is to clean out the carbs paying particular attention to the pilot slowrunning jets. If this doesn't fix it ask again. Good luck.

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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2005, 07:03:20 AM »
Awww man, I was hopingI wouldn't have to get into the carbs.
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2005, 07:15:24 AM »
At first, did you try new plugs...?
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2005, 07:17:23 AM »
I didn't try the plugs yet. I'm going to do that tonight if I can track down a spark plug wrench.
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2005, 07:57:16 AM »
You can get a great spark plug wrench for $5 at Cycle-Recycle (http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/). Look on the "tools" page.

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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2005, 08:08:58 AM »
A real easy check is to drain the float bowls - you may be amazed to see all the stuff that's trying to get from the tank to the carbs! 

Keep us advised.

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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2005, 08:12:12 AM »
Thanks Linda. I'll try that and I'll keep you advised too.
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2005, 09:32:36 AM »
mate dont be affraid of the carbs... just make sure they go back together with the same parts that came out, and your right...looking forward to hearing of your adventures... ;D..peace
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2005, 09:49:27 AM »
mcgilvray,
Thanks for the link, I checked it out but the part is $5, delivery to Canada is around $18. Add duty and the exchange rate and I'm looking at $30 Canadian!  :o I can probably get one at Canadian tire or borrow one somewhere.
Thanks again.
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2005, 11:09:34 AM »
Good initiative on your part to check head pipe temps.

Yes, do check your plugs.  Note their condition and color of the center insulator.  If any are wet you could still have an ignition problem.  Check that the plugs are the correct heat range, too.

I don't understand peoples eagerness to dismantle carbs.  I try to only do it when required.  And, lots of performance issues get corrected with a standard tune up.  (When you have a bunch of bikes, you ry to minimize maintenence time,)

Besides that, tuning carbs to an unadjusted, ill timed engine is just silly.  But, if you liked the whack-a-mole game... :D

Having said all that, if everything besides the carbs check to book values, then check for fuel contamination.  Even pristine carbs will give you grief if you feed them chunky fuel.

Clean fuel?  Well if after these checks you still have cold pipes, then you probably do have plugged slow jets for those cylinders or the carbs are unsynced, badly.

Once you get the pipes even temped, and if the hesitation persists, then your 4 in to 1 probably requires a different carb set up. You can richen the idle mixture a bit with the idle screws.  And/Or clip the slide needle in the next position so the needle will pull out of the jet more.  You should then be observing more desireable color deposits on your plugs.

Good luck,



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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 11:19:38 AM »
mcgilvray,
Thanks for the link, I checked it out but the part is $5, delivery to Canada is around $18. Add duty and the exchange rate and I'm looking at $30 Canadian!  :o I can probably get one at Canadian tire or borrow one somewhere.
Thanks again.

Where in Canada are you?  I'm thinking of starting a support group for local GTA SOHC4 riders.

Go to crappy-tire and get their spark-plug tune-up kit.  I think it's on sale for $9 instead of $25.  It has a nice ratchet, and extention and 2 spark plug sockets you can seal and use as shot glasses.  Pick up an 18mm spark plug socket and a set of feeler gauges while you're there.
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 11:27:32 AM »
Thanks for the advice twotired.
Tintin,
I'm in North Bay. I'll swing by Crappy-tire tonight and see what they got.  ;)
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2005, 06:43:44 PM »
Hey everybody!
I am soooo pumped! I bought a long 18mm socket and changed spark plug #4. But I still couldn't get to #3. I compared the old and new plugs and the gaps were quite different, but I was too lazy to actually measure them and I threw in the new plug anyway. Then I started her up and the header#4 got hot!!  ;D  I had also put my battery charger on it all day and woohoo, it starts with the electric start too! We're making progress!
Tomorrow morning I'm heading straight for the local Honda bike dealer to get the sparkplug wrench for cylinder #3 and a clutch cable.
I have a question about the clutch, should I ask it here or start a new thread?
Oh, and as you see, I took a couple of pics too ;D

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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2005, 07:09:39 PM »
Welcome,
 Good to hear your getting it fixed. New to the bike thing. I had to laugh I just bought my first street  bike. Same thing as yours. Hope that your bike is up and running good soon. Sorry not much more help now.

Paul
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Re: Newbie with old bike,
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2005, 07:18:16 PM »
Hi Paul,

My name is Paul too! I grew up around bikes but the last one I owner was almost 20 years ago. I couldn't afford to maintain it properly and I eventually destroyed the motor (not this time though!). That last bike was the same sort of deal. A '72 Yamaha XS500 (twin 8 valve); paid peanuts for it, when I brought it home my dad laughed and told me I got ripped-off. Had it licensed on the road 2 weeks later- he stopped laughing.
This time my wife is laughing and told me I got ripped off. I'll have stop laughing soon too!

Good luck with yours. I think this will be a very helpful place.
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Re: Newbie with old bike, Progress report
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2005, 05:50:19 AM »
Good news, I replaced spark plug #3, the pipe was hot. I took it down the street and have good power  ;D The PO had the idle cranked up (since it was running on 2 cylinders) so I turned it down. I ordered a new clutch cable yesterday, it should be in on Wednesday. Next is an oil change. The bike backfired a tiny bit so I might have to check the timing. I think the cam chain needs to be tensioned properly too- seems kinda noisy.
To do list, change oil and filter, install new clutch cable and hopefully the clutch is alright, repair the seat, replace battery, turn (directional) rear tire around since it spinning in the wrong direction (installed backwards), sand down and paint tank and side covers. Get certification.
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