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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2017, 02:40:26 PM »
I just installed a set of Metzelers on my CB750.  I don't have enough miles on them to comment on how good they are yet.  They feel sticky and I haven't had any surprises or unexpected issues.   I went with the Lasertec front in 3.25x19 and the ME77 rear in 4.00x18.  I got them from Motorcycle Superstore and mounted and balanced them myself.  One advantage to doing them yourself is you can find the heavy spot on the bare rim first and mark it for the dot on the tire.  The heaviest part of the rim isn't always the valve stem area.  This is especially true of older cast wheels.



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Nice and you mentioned how you checked the wheels first for the heavy spot before mounting the tire;removing the previously installed wheel weights?
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2017, 03:09:33 PM »
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     Nice and you mentioned how you checked the wheels first for the heavy spot before mounting the tire;removing the previously installed wheel weights?

Yes.  I had these wheels powder coated so the old weights were removed and new wheel bearings were installed before I spun the wheels on the balancing stand.  The rear was heaviest at the valve stem hole but the front was heaviest at a different spot.

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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2017, 06:31:19 PM »
One advantage to doing them yourself is you can find the heavy spot on the bare rim first and mark it for the dot on the tire.  The heaviest part of the rim isn't always the valve stem area.  This is especially true of older cast wheels.



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This is something I'll keep in mind next tire change. Thanks for mentioning it.

I have always run Dunlop K70 tires front and rear on my 500/4. I like them for the dirt roads which are do abundant in my area, and they're cheap as chips. BUT, I'm becoming a bit annoyed with the squaring off of the rear tire at only 2-3k miles, and I'd like to find something with a little more handling prowess, so my next set will be the Metzelers I've read about here.
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2017, 08:58:47 PM »
BUT, I'm becoming a bit annoyed with the squaring off of the rear tire at only 2-3k miles, and I'd like to find something with a little more handling prowess, so my next set will be the Metzelers I've read about here.

I think you'll be happy with the Metzelers, provided you use the inch sizes that are proper for your bike's rims, rather than oversizes in metric format, and don't run them at max air pressure.

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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2017, 04:04:40 AM »
Definitely going with inch sizes with the Metzeler tires. For future reference, what air pressures do you run?
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2017, 09:06:21 AM »
Definitely going with inch sizes with the Metzeler tires. For future reference, what air pressures do you run?

Stock size tires would use stock owner's manual pressures (or tire MFG pressures).  One up riding and general touring 25 front 28 rear.  (Without fairings and luggage loads.)

Two up riding; 28 front, 36 rear.  For canyon carving one up and for the bikes with fairings on them, I pick a number in between, such as 27 front and 32 rear.  If carrying luggage loads as well, I'll do 30 front and 38 rear.

I try to match the tire pressure profile to the bike's loaded weight.  And I sometimes put more weight on than owner's manual guidelines, so more pressure for that.

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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2017, 09:13:37 AM »
Pressure according to the label on rear fender, right? (CB750) I'm currently waiting for a 4.0-18 H rear tire
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2017, 11:11:30 AM »
Pressure according to the label on rear fender, right? (CB750) I'm currently waiting for a 4.0-18 H rear tire

Yes.  Honda recommended tire sizes get Honda pressure recommendations.
I think you'll be happy with that tire.

What do you have on the front?  It can matter from a handling viewpoint.

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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2017, 01:36:42 PM »
Pressure according to the label on rear fender, right? (CB750) I'm currently waiting for a 4.0-18 H rear tire

Yes.  Honda recommended tire sizes get Honda pressure recommendations.
I think you'll be happy with that tire.

What do you have on the front?  It can matter from a handling viewpoint.

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100/90-19 V of same tire, Dunlop Streetsmart.
I'll replace that with 3.25-19 when worn out which might be when the new rear is done. I need to twist throttle more gently and not use max power that often. These wheels are not made for almost double hp. Today 93rwhp/87Nm, hopefully more at next dyno run.
I''ll know later this week how the tire will handle the bike.
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2017, 02:24:49 PM »
Be careful with the power.  I wouldn't worry about the rear tire handling the power.  It'll be fine.  However, the Dunlop might be a softer composition.  Would hate to see the rear slide out in the corners rather than drifting, and you blaming the rear tire due to mismatched compounds.  If you are drag racing straight up, no problem.

What is the rim width of your front?   If 1.85 you are going to need higher tire pressures to keep the crown shape and the sidewalls stiffer, as the sidewall is angled almost 16.4 degrees, where stock is 12.5 degrees.  Narrow rims just don't support wider tires properly.

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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2017, 02:25:46 PM »
Pressure according to the label on rear fender, right? (CB750) I'm currently waiting for a 4.0-18 H rear tire

Yes.  Honda recommended tire sizes get Honda pressure recommendations.
I think you'll be happy with that tire.

What do you have on the front?  It can matter from a handling viewpoint.

Cheers,
100/90-19 V of same tire, Dunlop Streetsmart.
I'll replace that with 3.25-19 when worn out which might be when the new rear is done. I need to twist throttle more gently and not use max power that often. These wheels are not made for almost double hp. Today 93rwhp/87Nm, hopefully more at next dyno run.
I''ll know later this week how the tire will handle the bike.

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What style wheels are you running on your bike ?
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2017, 09:29:56 PM »
Honda std laced wheels 1.85-19 (100/90-19) front, 2.15-18 rear. I take it easy when taking corners. I still feel rusty as a rider and do not want to scratch the bike. Dual front brakes make the front tire to sound nice while braking hard.
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2017, 09:50:44 PM »
Honda std laced wheels 1.85-19 (100/90-19) front, 2.15-18 rear. I take it easy when taking corners. I still feel rusty as a rider and do not want to scratch the bike. Dual front brakes make the front tire to sound nice while braking hard.

The stock wheels are strong,getting them 'true' and having all the spokes torqued evenly will keep them strong.
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2017, 10:04:04 PM »
A German Continental Tire engineer once went thru my shop in 1972. I asked him lots of questions while we serviced his Beemer, which had his Continentals aboard (he was one of the designers on the Continental Twins team). One of the most important answers he gave me was as follows, which I've used for 40+ years since on cars, bikes, and my motorhome with excellent results:

To find the correct tire pressure for your bike (or car or motorhome), measure the pressure of cold tires, then ride 10 miles at least. Stop and measure the pressure again. If it rose 2 PSI, you have the correct pressure. If it rose MORE than 2 PSI, add 2 PSI, let them cool off to cold again, and repeat the test. If it rise LESS than 2 PSI, decrease by 2 PSI and repeat the test from cold.

Using this, I ran the Continentals I [briefly] had at 34 PSI front, 36 PSI rear 1-up, 38 PSI rear 2-up. Sidewall rating was 40 PSI max. cold.
When I switched to Dunlop's K81 (true trigonometrics, not the current versions) It came to 38 PSI front, 38 PSI rear 1-up, and 40 PSI 2-up (these had a narrow footprint when riding straight up). Sidewall rating was 44 PSI max. cold.
When I went to the Avons, it has not mattered which tire I use, it has so far always been the same: 36 PSI front, 38 PSI rear 1-up, 38 PSI 2-up, 40 PSI 2-up with all her stuff on a long trip. Sidewall rating is 42 PSI max. cold.

Keep in mind: the label on the bike's fender was made for bias-ply tires of inch profiles (in :70 and :80 ratios) of the 1970s technology. Today, ALL bike tires are made on metric round profiles, usually :90 or sometimes :80 profiles (ie. they are taller, even those labelled in inch sizes), so they need more PSI to keep their shape and not roll under with loads and corners, as shown in TT's wise pictures above.
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2017, 11:58:09 PM »
Great info,thanks TT & HondaMan :)
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Re: dunlop k81s and k70s
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2017, 04:06:29 AM »
I installed Dunlop Arrowmax Streetsmart 4.00-18H rear as replacement for my 120/90-18V last week.

Now 109mm wide instead of the old 118mm wide when measure.
- 4.00-18 must have pressure according to the Honda label, right?

I'll see if it will flatten as my old 120/90 tire that lived 4700km, too flat with bad handling even earlier like 3500km
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My next front will be 3.25-19
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