Topic: Amelia Earhart

[Lostboy Steve]

This is a good one to talk about. They found that single bone on Nikumaroro island and called for bone sniffing dogs, but just as that expedition was about to be underway, the mysterious photo shows up showing what some believe is Earhart and Noonan on a dock with her crashed Lockheed Electra being transported on the barge to the right. Now the story breaks that the 4 boarder collies all hit on a spot, but no bones were recovered. We await a DNA analysis on a soil sample of the area.



A few things that I have noticed in the photo.

1) Amelia was built like a young Asian man and had a similar hair cut. It is very possible to mis identify her from behind.

2) Amelia had lighter colored hair than your average Asian person. It could just be the contrast on the photo, but that person clearly has dark hair.


The story of Amelia Earhart has always fascinated me. Enjoy the discussion!


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[flybox1]

I watched the documentary on this last night, and all the details/analysis of the photo, possible course deviation because of fuel supply/storms, and most likely landing site in the N side of the Mili Atoll, Marshall Islands.
Very intriguing story.

[Stev-o]

I watched the documentary on this last night...

Wasnt able to watch it, but did record it.  MAybe tonight...

[strynboen]

even she lived after the crash..she vill be dead by age... for years ago..so vhy still look for her>??

[Geeto67]

I feel like Tighar is on the right track and this photograph, however interesting is not much more than a red herring. Her being captured by the Japanese is a good story but so is Goldilocks and the three bears - a good story is not always a true story.

there is a lot of evidence in Tighar's research and their approach is scientific. Watching these guys talk about this photograph is cringe worthy.

Not that it is relevant, but Kawasaki and Mitsubishi both made twin engine radial aircraft about the same size and shape as an Electra about the time the pic dates from. The Mitsubishi G3M (1936), although larger than an electra, has a twin vertical tail like the Electra. the Mitsubishi Ki-21 is a smilar size and shape but with a single vertical stabilizer as does the kawasaki ki-48 and the Nakajima Ki-34. The closest looker to an Electra though is the Kawasaki Ki-56 which entered service in 1940 - probably because it started life as a Lockheed super Electra that Kawasaki was allowed to build under license. Assuming that the pic does show a crashed plane on the barge, it is entirely possible that it could be a Ki-56 as it could an actual Electra. In the days of needle, ball, and airspeed  and nothing else air "accidents" were not uncommon.

even she lived after the crash..she vill be dead by age... for years ago..so vhy still look for her>??

People love a mystery. People love solving a mystery even more. This is like asking "why search for the titanic"?

[eigenvector]

If there's an airplane in any of those photos - I'm not seeing it.

[vfourfreak]

If there's an airplane in any of those photos - I'm not seeing it.

On the extreme right of the photo, aft of the stern of the ship.

[Geeto67]

If there's an airplane in any of those photos - I'm not seeing it.

It's grasping at straws. Many many straws.

[Lostboy Steve]

Yeah I think the picture is a bit ridiculous. Captured by the Japanese seems like the least likely scenario.

I always thought she was a castaway. To me (and apparently others) that's the most likely scenario.


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[MikeSimon]

I watched the program and to me it was very much like all the other conspiracy and mystery-hunting shows on the History channel.
What made me suspicious is, that some of the "evidence" and "facts" were unearthed several years ago, and we never heard about it.
You would think that something of this magnitude would have made it to some news or headline. I am still a "Doubting Thomas".

In 1937 WWII had not even started in Europe and it took until 1942 until the Japanese started WWII with the U.S. Could it have been that 5 years before that, Japan already was planning a confrontation...

[Duke McDukiedook]

Boss! De plane! De plane!

[Geeto67]

http://jezebel.com/japanese-blogger-discredits-new-amelia-earhart-document-1796805871

The Guardian reports that military history blogger Kota Yamano published the photo to his blog in the proper context, finding it after about 30 minutes of looking through Japan’s national library, on a page from a Japanese-language travel book on the South Seas. The book was published in 1935, two years before Amelia Earhart’s ill-fated plane took off, and she almost certainly met her death on an uninhabited island in the Pacific. Yamano seems surprised the documentary-makers didn’t try to corroborate the photo better:

well...that was fast.

[eigenvector]

I watched the program and to me it was very much like all the other conspiracy and mystery-hunting shows on the History channel.
What made me suspicious is, that some of the "evidence" and "facts" were unearthed several years ago, and we never heard about it.
You would think that something of this magnitude would have made it to some news or headline. I am still a "Doubting Thomas".

In 1937 WWII had not even started in Europe and it took until 1942 until the Japanese started WWII with the U.S. Could it have been that 5 years before that, Japan already was planning a confrontation...

It really isn't too far fetched that she was captured by the Japanese.

Okay - let me be clear, it's far fetched she was captured by the Japanese, but the premise is not far fetched.  The 2nd Sino-Japanese war began in '37 and it isn't unlikely the Japanese would have viewed Earhart's flight as an intelligence mission of some sort.  They were definitely looking toward the US for a confrontation even then and we were too.

[Lostboy Steve]

I watched the program and to me it was very much like all the other conspiracy and mystery-hunting shows on the History channel.
What made me suspicious is, that some of the "evidence" and "facts" were unearthed several years ago, and we never heard about it.
You would think that something of this magnitude would have made it to some news or headline. I am still a "Doubting Thomas".

In 1937 WWII had not even started in Europe and it took until 1942 until the Japanese started WWII with the U.S. Could it have been that 5 years before that, Japan already was planning a confrontation...

It really isn't too far fetched that she was captured by the Japanese.

Okay - let me be clear, it's far fetched she was captured by the Japanese, but the premise is not far fetched.  The 2nd Sino-Japanese war began in '37 and it isn't unlikely the Japanese would have viewed Earhart's flight as an intelligence mission of some sort.  They were definitely looking toward the US for a confrontation even then and we were too.

She wouldn't have been captured... she would have been kidnapped.

This is a great video, I urge you to let it play through.

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[Lostboy Steve]

http://jezebel.com/japanese-blogger-discredits-new-amelia-earhart-document-1796805871

The Guardian reports that military history blogger Kota Yamano published the photo to his blog in the proper context, finding it after about 30 minutes of looking through Japan’s national library, on a page from a Japanese-language travel book on the South Seas. The book was published in 1935, two years before Amelia Earhart’s ill-fated plane took off, and she almost certainly met her death on an uninhabited island in the Pacific. Yamano seems surprised the documentary-makers didn’t try to corroborate the photo better:

well...that was fast.

Lol, so that whole history program was a giant waste of money. Entertaining, but that's about it. I didn't buy it anyway. It's kind of like pareidolia.


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[Geeto67]

http://jezebel.com/japanese-blogger-discredits-new-amelia-earhart-document-1796805871

The Guardian reports that military history blogger Kota Yamano published the photo to his blog in the proper context, finding it after about 30 minutes of looking through Japan’s national library, on a page from a Japanese-language travel book on the South Seas. The book was published in 1935, two years before Amelia Earhart’s ill-fated plane took off, and she almost certainly met her death on an uninhabited island in the Pacific. Yamano seems surprised the documentary-makers didn’t try to corroborate the photo better:

well...that was fast.

Lol, so that whole history program was a giant waste of money. Entertaining, but that's about it. I didn't buy it anyway. It's kind of like pareidolia.

depends on how you define waste....The History Channel made money off the advertisers, the advertisers made money off selling product, people got more than a few minutes entertainment and the only thing that was lost was history channel's credibility which, lets' be honest, was flushed a long time ago.

The only thing I don't like is the inaccuracy. I cut the cable cord because of stuff like this and I don't miss it. I have been a follower of the Earhart mystery since I was a kid so I went out of my way to see this and came away with the impression that it was just more steamy pile and nothing of substance.

 The Tighar efforts are way more interesting and honestly, their little stories and myths and the lore they have collected is way more interesting than the japanese theory. There are legends about lost castaway's bones, electrica radials being salvaged during WWII and then burned, mysterious uses of aircraft metal with the indigenous people of the region....it's compelling. Add in real science and underwater experimental drones and bone sniffing dogs - way better than the xenophobic nonsense that she died in a Japanese prison.

[Lostboy Steve]

http://jezebel.com/japanese-blogger-discredits-new-amelia-earhart-document-1796805871

The Guardian reports that military history blogger Kota Yamano published the photo to his blog in the proper context, finding it after about 30 minutes of looking through Japan’s national library, on a page from a Japanese-language travel book on the South Seas. The book was published in 1935, two years before Amelia Earhart’s ill-fated plane took off, and she almost certainly met her death on an uninhabited island in the Pacific. Yamano seems surprised the documentary-makers didn’t try to corroborate the photo better:

well...that was fast.

Lol, so that whole history program was a giant waste of money. Entertaining, but that's about it. I didn't buy it anyway. It's kind of like pareidolia.

depends on how you define waste....The History Channel made money off the advertisers, the advertisers made money off selling product, people got more than a few minutes entertainment and the only thing that was lost was history channel's credibility which, lets' be honest, was flushed a long time ago.

The only thing I don't like is the inaccuracy. I cut the cable cord because of stuff like this and I don't miss it. I have been a follower of the Earhart mystery since I was a kid so I went out of my way to see this and came away with the impression that it was just more steamy pile and nothing of substance.

 The Tighar efforts are way more interesting and honestly, their little stories and myths and the lore they have collected is way more interesting than the japanese theory. There are legends about lost castaway's bones, electrica radials being salvaged during WWII and then burned, mysterious uses of aircraft metal with the indigenous people of the region....it's compelling. Add in real science and underwater experimental drones and bone sniffing dogs - way better than the xenophobic nonsense that she died in a Japanese prison.

Agreed.


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[jgger]

Maybe Geraldo Rivera found her in Al Capone's vault and isn't telling anyone..........that was another sensational blow out.

[Stev-o]

Maybe Geraldo Rivera found her in Al Capone's vault and isn't telling anyone..........that was another sensational blow out.

That was a bust!

[Geeto67]

Maybe Geraldo Rivera found her in Al Capone's vault and isn't telling anyone..........that was another sensational blow out.

That was a bust!

and yet 30 million people watched it, and we still talk about it. Everyone loves a mystery even if the solution is disappointing.

[754]

That may be a large part of why we don't watch TV.. big waste of time that Geraldo guy..

[Rookster]

The History Channel is no different than MTV or any other 'reality' based channel.  They created an entire series based on the assumption that Hitler survived when there has been hard evidence to prove his death for years.  I miss the old History Channel and the Speed Network.

Scott

[Geeto67]

The History Channel is no different than MTV or any other 'reality' based channel.  They created an entire series based on the assumption that Hitler survived when there has been hard evidence to prove his death for years.  I miss the old History Channel and the Speed Network.

Scott

remember when "Bravo" used to show Opera? Now it is all Real Housewives, Flipping house shows, and Top Chef. So much for "the first television service dedicated to film and the performing arts".

We are going through a TV Renaissance right now, there are shows that are better than movies now which was unheard of a recent as 10 years ago. With that also comes some absolute garbage, worse than anything previously seen.

Anybody remember "In Search of..."? now that was a great television show dedicated to mysteries.

[Lostboy Steve]

The History Channel is no different than MTV or any other 'reality' based channel.  They created an entire series based on the assumption that Hitler survived when there has been hard evidence to prove his death for years.  I miss the old History Channel and the Speed Network.

Scott

remember when "Bravo" used to show Opera? Now it is all Real Housewives, Flipping house shows, and Top Chef. So much for "the first television service dedicated to film and the performing arts".

We are going through a TV Renaissance right now, there are shows that are better than movies now which was unheard of a recent as 10 years ago. With that also comes some absolute garbage, worse than anything previously seen.

Anybody remember "In Search of..."? now that was a great television show dedicated to mysteries.

The flash series is decent, and now they're going to kill it with a movie (unrelated to the show).

A lot of the really good shows out there don't get popular until it's too late. That's a large part of the problem.


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[Duke McDukiedook]

Amen, I shed more than a few tears as a kid when they cancelled Sledge Hammer!