Topic: What came in the mail today

[Stev-o]

^^^ thats why I dont buy china crap!

[Jnel]

Its like fishing Stev-O.  Sometimes u catch sometimes you don't

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[spotty]

A while ago I bought a CCC QA throttle for ( I think) $2, and as expected it was CCC, I put it on the trail bike project just for somewhere to attach the cable to while its sitting around, brought the bike back home from where its getting built on the weekend and when trying to get it off the trailer in my stupidly steep driveway the bike launched itself sideways off the trailer and landed upside down square on its seat and bars. the only damage was the $2 throttle so I was a happy person and glad I bought the sacrificial model.
moral of the story is don't try and unload a bike off a trailer jn a steep driveway with a broken hand, it will cost you at least one cheap throttle.
the up side was if it had been all finished as a stock bike it would have destroyed the lights and tank at a minimum

[Jnel]

See there... a story with a happy ending. 

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[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

Sometimes you catch something worth keeping, sometimes not.

[Jnel]

I think there is a lot of inferior material   that comes out of that part of the world.  Not all... but some. Forgeting the economics, government and all the other stuff related to making cheep products, like child labor and such.  In my experience, there is not much in the way of original ideas.  No inovation.  But they can reproduce the hell out of some things.

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[RAFster122s]

What is worse is the Chinese will do knock offs of their knock offs!
Sometimes, ok...even a blind squirrel sometimes gets lucky and finds a nut, the original chinese part is of decent or possibly good quality, the knock off is typical CCC.

The SJCAMs action cameras are an example, original is a good product, the multiple knockoffs are not in the same galaxy.

[Terry in Australia]

Ha ha, I have to laugh when I see all the posts about Cheap Chinese Crap, cos I'm old enough to remember when we all said the same about Cheap Japanese Crap! Imitators, not Innovators, blah blah blah. Look at them now........... 

The fact is that Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, BMW, Laverda, Harley Davidson etc etc etc, all have parts or even complete bikes built in China, because labour is cheap, "Work Health and Safety" laws don't exist, and build quality continues to improve.

Sure, those are "knockoff" parts, but they've been copied from "quality" parts, so quite often a master cylinder rebuild kit from whatever that MC was knocked off from will fit, and you don't have to throw it away when the seals start to leak, although they're so cheap it's probably easier to just replace the whole unit, than rebuild it.

China has become the world's factory, and so much of the world's money is heading that way, that governments are borrowing huge amounts of money from China to keep their own economies afloat, so it's also becoming the world's bank. As addicted as I am to Cheap Chinese Crap, I can't help but wonder if I'm not contributing to China's inter continental ballistic missile system, which I'm led to believe, is excellent quality........... 

[RAFster122s]

America and many other countries and many corporations have catapulted the Chinese into this century in their manufacturing capabilities by teaching them how and establishing factories there as well as hiring them to build things there as inexpensive labor and resources.

The military several years ago projected China as a serious world player militarily and projected their parity with US capabilities and even surpassing ours kn a number of years that was less than a decade.  They have a active spy and theft of intellectual properties and military secrets.  Sometimes working to steal those things directly and sometimes by stealing those things in countries we have sold military hardware.

They are not stupid, that should never be thought...wiley and cunning and they can be creative...maybe not as common a trait as in population in more western countries though.  India has that same lack of innovation and original thinking problem in their tech sector.

Fwiw

[Jnel]

In 1950, Japanese businessmen turned to an obscure American from Wyoming to help them rebuild an economy that was shattered in World War II.   W. Edwards Deming, taught Japan’s manufacturers how to produce top quality products economically.  The Japanese used that knowledge to turn the global economy on its head and beat U.S. industry at its own game. Do some reading on Deming.  Very interesting guy.  He was an outcast from the US.  We dumped him on Japan because his ideas were to radical for us.  Like I said.  Very interesting man.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

Echoing what Terry said, the Japanese had the same reputation as imitators but then developed to refine the products they were imitating. 

China is currently the world's manufacturing haven -- electronics, clothing and numerous other consumer goods.  Not a ton of innovation coming directly from there but I wonder when that tide is going to change. 

[spotty]

a few years ago I bought brembo copy hydraulic m/c's from our industrious little friends from the north and they looked absolutely spiffing straight out of the box. however when I tried to fit and bleed them up, the clutch side leaked like a sieve and wouldn't bleed up, the brake side took an age to get any pressure up and as soon as we did the threads on the threaded pushrod actuator stripped cos it was made of cheese (or tofu as the case may be)
if the thread had held a bit longer I would have found out about that minor developmental flaw in traffic somewhere....
they were removed and nice scruffy genuine hayabusa ones were sourced, work a treat. I got my money back but a pain in the arse nonetheless