Author Topic: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f  (Read 10625 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2017, 04:59:32 PM »
Update: I replaced the float valve in carb 3 and water would come out.
Put it all back together and carb 4 was the only one leaking but not a lot.

Now the only problem is with the bike running at 3000 rpms and above.
The bike idles great but for some reason if I pull down on the throttle it will just shut off.. it started to get better over time but it never got over 3000 rpm. What does this mean?

I am thinking I need To adjust my float heights even higher to 25/26mm what do you guys think?

Offline nath180

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 16
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2017, 05:54:21 AM »
Too much fuel/air when you open throttle.

You picked up 4 kits from 4into1 yeh?

Replace everything in the carbs with the kit, except the needles. I recently purchased the same kits and had to file some of the main jet clip out with a round file so it slid onto the jet groove. Just do a little at a time and test it. It will still hold the old jet if you need to go back I found.

I too noticed the difference in emulsion tube holes, queried the forum but didn't get a resolution either way.

You should have replaced - slow jet, main jet, emulsion tube, the needle and seat and the air screw.

Set the floats around 23-24mm, is what I found after the clear tube test.

Setup fuel tank and carbs on the bench, carbs level as if they were sitting on the bike - turn the fuel on and make sure fuel isn't coming out the overflows. Eliminate float heights and correct needle and seat install.

Fit carbs back up to the bike, ensure that the airbox boots go well up over the rear carb inlet, and the clamps are tight.

Screw airscrews in softly until they wont go further, wind back out 1 full turn.

start the bike and warm it up, use the choke or whatever.

Once warm, Adjust the idle screw in/out to settle around 1200-1400 until the carbs are balanced (you'll get a steady 1200 idle then).

Give that a go - you can fine tune from there - do timing, then balance carbs and adjust choke stopper screw and air screw.

From there id recommend a dyno run, rather than plug chops for a quicker result and visibility of A/F through the range. See where its running rich/lean and adjust accordingly (larger/smaller small jet down low, needle clip mid range, larger/smaller main jet mid-high).

I know this goes against recommended using stock brass, but process of elimination will rule in or out.

« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 05:59:57 AM by nath180 »

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2017, 06:03:57 AM »
I used water to test if there was any leakage I'm thinking I still have some of that in there

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2017, 07:22:57 AM »
Did you get all your bowl fuel levels correct?
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2017, 07:37:23 AM »
They were all alittle bit lower from the 3mm mark. I had set them to 24mm which I thought was too much to begin with so I just left them. I'm guessing maybe I need that extra gas and it's being starved?

When I had them at 22 though they were flooding

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2017, 07:40:13 AM »
Get them right, first. 
Then move on to an idle plug chop...
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2017, 05:50:36 PM »
Update:

Alright I got it!
adjusted the floats to the best I could and there was actually water in the bowl from testing still :p
The bike runs awesome

Idle is alittle ruff when starting up but after the bike is warm it runs great.

Only problem now is when the bike is off and tilted with the leg stand the very left carb(#1) will leak alittle bit, but not enough to leave anything on the ground.
The bike still smells pretty gassy when riding and there's some white smoke that comes out the muffler at idle. I am gonna tweak with my pilot screws, they are currently at 1 turn out.

Thanks for all the help everyone especially to you flybox for sticking in there for me haha. Any advice for the gassyness? maybe time for new rings? oil leaks out on the left side of the cylinders because I need a new puck.. hmm

Offline danyo

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 299
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2017, 06:16:26 PM »
It was not the smartest idea introduce water to the carb. You could start corrosion very quickly.

Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk


Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2017, 07:24:24 PM »
yeah, I got it all out thankfully

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2017, 08:00:38 AM »
great.  now that you have it running well, get it running better  ;)

next would be a good vacuum sync of the carbs, and then a series of idle plug chops to get your air screws dialed in.
this will make cold starts quite a bit easier.
you'll want those plug tips to come out brown....not black.

you can put in a little seafoam in your gas tank.  thatll take care of any last traces of water.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2017, 10:34:51 AM »
Its interesting if I adjust my pilot air screws the carbs really start clunking,  should I adjust pilot screws first and then vacuume sync? I originally had it at 7/8 out then went to 1 full turn out.. road it around today, sounded great but still was very gassy, just put it to 1.5 out and it's clunky.

I figure the more it's turned out the less gassy it will be. But then it gets clunky, I could be smelling oil burning on the fins but idk it's gassy, I was checking my airbox drain tube and there was some gas drippin out. Not a lot
« Last Edit: August 30, 2017, 10:36:39 AM by Dos »

Offline innovativems

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,028
    • Innovative MotoSports
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2017, 10:38:33 AM »
What do you mean by gassy?  Do a sync first then get air screw adjusted


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
2007 KTM 990 adv
2003 Honda RC51
2000 Yamaha YSR50
1978 Honda Express
1975 Honda CB400f
1974 Honda CB350f
1974 Kawi H2
1974 Honda CB550f
1971 Kawi h1
1973 Kawi h1
1974 gt 550
1974 gt550

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2017, 11:05:53 AM »
The bike smells very rich, before I turned it to 1.5 turns out , when I would rev it at idle alittle bit of smoke would come out at the end of the rev cycle

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2017, 02:07:41 PM »
The carbs are pretty synced, but that radling is still there

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2017, 02:11:23 PM »
revisit cam chain and valve adjustments.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline innovativems

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,028
    • Innovative MotoSports
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2017, 02:12:05 PM »
Also do some plug chops to see your mixture


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
2007 KTM 990 adv
2003 Honda RC51
2000 Yamaha YSR50
1978 Honda Express
1975 Honda CB400f
1974 Honda CB350f
1974 Kawi H2
1974 Honda CB550f
1971 Kawi h1
1973 Kawi h1
1974 gt 550
1974 gt550

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2017, 02:44:19 PM »
I went from 1.5 turns out back to 1 and it sounds a whole lot better, I'm going to adjust the cam now

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2017, 02:46:19 PM »
I went from 1.5 turns out back to 1 and it sounds a whole lot better, I'm going to adjust the cam now

...dang.  I wish I could hear proper air/fuel mixture  ::)
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Dos

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Owner of a cb350f
Re: Trying to figure it all out - carb rebuild cb350f
« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2017, 03:04:43 PM »
I'm beating myself up right now? My vacuume sync was perfect before. The one I just did is very very close but not as good as before , but I can't inhale this #$%* anymore