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Offline frodef2

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Hayabusa turbo trouble
« on: August 27, 2017, 11:10:15 AM »
Hi, i have inherited a problem on a 2008 turbo hayabusa.
I have sorted out a few problems already, regarding fuel delivery. Since the bike has 8 injectors, it had two powercommanders. One powercommander V for the lower set, and a powercommander III usb for the upper set. The pc3 had some issues, it wouldnt let me read back the map. And it triggered the upper injectors for cylinder 2 and 4 even at idle.

So i swapped it out for a Secondary fuel module for the PC5. I have set up the SFM to act as a "mirror" for the map in the PCV for the lower row of injectors. At startup the idle is still not good.

I have a question about the PC5 map. At idle, the current PC5 map adds 35% fuel. Even for a modified engine like this, there shouldn't be a need for this much extra fuel. Or?

I will add that the wideband reads 13ish at idle, even with the 30cm stub exhaust.

I think someone messed with the map at the last drag-race the owner attended.
They did it to try to diagnose a lack of power. I think the lack of power was caused by the pc3 not working correctly.

Is it safe to run a 0% map on the powercommanders at idle?

Frode


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Offline jas67

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Re: Hayabusa turbo trouble
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 09:11:55 AM »
Skip the power commanders and just alter the maps in the ECU directly.
There is software out there to do it (a friend of mine races both Gen 1 and Gen 2 'Busas normally aspirated and turbo), and does this.   They can even be programed control boost (forget which output gets used for that).

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Re: Hayabusa turbo trouble
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 12:41:27 PM »
i will google around for info.

Would i be able to ditch even the MSD SB-6 ignition box too?

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Re: Hayabusa turbo trouble
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2017, 03:58:53 PM »
i will google around for info.

Would i be able to ditch even the MSD SB-6 ignition box too?

Frode j

Yes.

PM me your email, I'll pass it on to my buddy.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: Hayabusa turbo trouble
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 10:01:26 AM »
I've ridden a turbo Busa.  Lots of powah!  Depending on the amount of boost, it can be unusable power.  Rumor has it that Suzuki is going to sell a stock turbo Busa in mid-2018:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/turbocharged-suzuki-hayabusa-coming-mid-2018/
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Re: Hayabusa turbo trouble
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2017, 05:35:45 PM »
Gen 1 'Busa Tuning software:
http://www.boostbysmith.com/ecu.html

Gen 2 'Busa Tuning software:
http://www.boostbysmith.com/ecugen2-1.html


Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado