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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2017, 10:21:04 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2017, 08:17:35 PM »
I really want to give welding a go.  I'd probably be featured in @thefabpolice or get one of these Christmas wishes . . .
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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2017, 11:23:53 PM »
I really want to give welding a go.  I'd probably be featured in @thefabpolice or get one of these Christmas wishes . . .
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2017, 09:31:46 AM »
I really want to give welding a go.  I'd probably be featured in @thefabpolice or get one of these Christmas wishes . . .
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2017, 11:56:30 AM »
Just get some hours of torch time in, the sooner, the quicker you get on to it..
There are many variables at play when TIG welding that makes it difficult to become "self taught" and weld properly. Pedal, travel speed, filler amount, rod size, tungsten choice, cup size, material thickness, direction of travel, material type...

Practice IS critical, but understanding certain things so you can practice properly is paramount. It looks really easy to do especially watching an accomplished Welder. But pick it up and have a go, and suddenly untying the Gordon's knot blindfolded while jumping from airplane becomes a much easier task. Especially when you're dealing with 2700* at your fingertips.

Work has been crazy! Good and bad. That said I haven’t been getting much time on the torch.

I got my new torch and the stubby lens kits. But when I fired it up recently the flame/arc seems to becoming off the side of my Tungsten not the tip. I hooked the old torch up and it worked fine

I like the feel of the new torch but there is no way to weld with it like this.

-I tried clean clean cleaning my metal
-grinding a fresh Tungsten
-adjusting argon flow
-adjusting amps

Oh and my Tungsten has been getting really burnt or coming out almost black. The freshest one had this weird burn mark when I took it out of the torch. It was new when I put it in.

I have a Sharpie grinder for my tips.





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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2017, 12:57:46 PM »
First thing to check is, do you have a magnet nearby? If so, don’t TIG weld with a magnet holding your work. The arc is badly disrupted by the magnetic field. It will cause a behavior as if a gale force wind is blowing crossways.

Also, with your new gas lens, make sure you have the correct insulator installed in the correct orientation, then screw the lens into the torch tightly, then screw on the cup.

Maybe post a picture of your torch assembled too?
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2017, 01:24:57 PM »
First thing to check is, do you have a magnet nearby? If so, don’t TIG weld with a magnet holding your work. The arc is badly disrupted by the magnetic field. It will cause a behavior as if a gale force wind is blowing crossways.

Also, with your new gas lens, make sure you have the correct insulator installed in the correct orientation, then screw the lens into the torch tightly, then screw on the cup.

Maybe post a picture of your torch assembled too?

I will take a pic. But I did have a magnetic torch holder about 12” away..?


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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2017, 01:39:14 PM »
Believe it or not, that can make a difference. But, if the lens swap didn’t see the same effect, I’d suspect something else.
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2017, 05:40:27 PM »
First thing to check is, do you have a magnet nearby? If so, don’t TIG weld with a magnet holding your work. The arc is badly disrupted by the magnetic field. It will cause a behavior as if a gale force wind is blowing crossways.

Also, with your new gas lens, make sure you have the correct insulator installed in the correct orientation, then screw the lens into the torch tightly, then screw on the cup.

Maybe post a picture of your torch assembled too?

I will take a pic. But I did have a magnetic torch holder about 12” away..?


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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2017, 09:28:15 AM »
did you ever find out what was causing the problems with your arc?

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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2017, 08:09:35 AM »
This thread is the best! I really want to learn tig. I'm looking into the Miller Multimatic 215. It's only drawback (for me) is that it's a DC TIG only. So I will limited to spool gun for aluminum.
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
I’m actually looking st the Lincoln tig 200 for my first tig.  Does it all and has great reviews


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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2017, 01:27:27 PM »
I'm learning now. I bought a used Lincoln square wave 175. It's very basic, just amperage knob, tig/stick selector, DCEN, DCEP, AC selector. I really like so far.

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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2017, 05:49:50 PM »
I’m actually looking st the Lincoln tig 200 for my first tig.  Does it all and has great reviews
It is a good unit, but it doesn’t have Lift Arc or Scratch Start, only HF. Plus, the duty cycle is pretty low for welding aluminum. A better unit is a Synchrowave if you’re up for a dedicated shop machine. (They’re no portable like a SW or MM 215).
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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2017, 08:15:41 PM »
I’m actually looking st the Lincoln tig 200 for my first tig.  Does it all and has great reviews
It is a good unit, but it doesn’t have Lift Arc or Scratch Start, only HF. Plus, the duty cycle is pretty low for welding aluminum. A better unit is a Synchrowave if you’re up for a dedicated shop machine. (They’re no portable like a SW or MM 215).
My brother has the synchrowave and loves it.  I just bought the tig 200 for a deal with some Lincoln rebates.  Excited to finally get off my trusty mig


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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2017, 08:42:12 PM »
Here's mine

Got it on  OfferUp for a great price. Got a new torch and stubby gas lens kit. I have about 2 hours practicing on it and I'm starting to make progress. Making some stuff out of stainless right now, just trying to get the heat right





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« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2018, 01:40:45 AM »
Perfect for welding stainless steel like destillation stuff making your own battery water. ;) Search for Labmaster a very common design here in Scandinavia. Equip it with an internal heater, thyristor controlled. Important that the power feeding it has over voltage protection with a varistor over phase and neutral (270V Varistor on 230V mains work fine). It can otherwise burn the electronics when timer switch off.
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2018, 04:18:35 AM »
This thread is the best! I really want to learn tig. I'm looking into the Miller Multimatic 215. It's only drawback (for me) is that it's a DC TIG only. So I will limited to spool gun for aluminum.
MIG aluminum is actually a very good process. You can MIG very thin aluminum that's much more difficult to TIG weld without blowing through. For really thick stuff, a bevel and preheat, and you can cook the material without damaging it or getting a false sense of penetration with a TIG. To weld really thick aluminum with a TIG, you really want a water-cooled torch and up to 250 amps, many smaller TIG boxes won't do this.

For MIG aluminum, use a push angle, not a pull. Better results, and less soot. (Yes, soot is normal for MIG aluminum, but it brushes right off with a stainless steel brush). I use a 75%Ar/25%He mix for all aluminum welding. The He produces a much hotter arc with the same or lower amps, so you can "cheat" how high your machine will run. And I preheat thicker stuff (>1/4") regardless of which ally process I use.

AND, if you did buy the MM215 with a DC only TIG, you can TIG weld aluminum on DC. You must use 100% Helium though to do it. It won't be as pretty afterwards, but it will penetrate and weld perfectly well/strong like it would on AC. This isn't the preferred method as 100% He is pricey, but you can do it. I've done it with 1" thick billet blocks on 200 amps and really drove the weld in there. Then, I swapped to AC, 75Ar/25He, and washed the weld with a small cover pass for aesthetics. Best of both worlds!

The 1 thing to know about welding is: There are more ways, more tricks, more processes than any single person knows. Knowing what to do, when to do it (or not doing it), and how to do it properly is the key  ;)
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2018, 05:13:16 AM »
The heck with buying a TIG welder, I'm thinking of hiring cal! :)
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2018, 02:52:22 PM »
This thread is the best! I really want to learn tig. I'm looking into the Miller Multimatic 215. It's only drawback (for me) is that it's a DC TIG only. So I will limited to spool gun for aluminum.
MIG aluminum is actually a very good process. You can MIG very thin aluminum that's much more difficult to TIG weld without blowing through. For really thick stuff, a bevel and preheat, and you can cook the material without damaging it or getting a false sense of penetration with a TIG. To weld really thick aluminum with a TIG, you really want a water-cooled torch and up to 250 amps, many smaller TIG boxes won't do this.

For MIG aluminum, use a push angle, not a pull. Better results, and less soot. (Yes, soot is normal for MIG aluminum, but it brushes right off with a stainless steel brush). I use a 75%Ar/25%He mix for all aluminum welding. The He produces a much hotter arc with the same or lower amps, so you can "cheat" how high your machine will run. And I preheat thicker stuff (>1/4") regardless of which ally process I use.

AND, if you did buy the MM215 with a DC only TIG, you can TIG weld aluminum on DC. You must use 100% Helium though to do it. It won't be as pretty afterwards, but it will penetrate and weld perfectly well/strong like it would on AC. This isn't the preferred method as 100% He is pricey, but you can do it. I've done it with 1" thick billet blocks on 200 amps and really drove the weld in there. Then, I swapped to AC, 75Ar/25He, and washed the weld with a small cover pass for aesthetics. Best of both worlds!

The 1 thing to know about welding is: There are more ways, more tricks, more processes than any single person knows. Knowing what to do, when to do it (or not doing it), and how to do it properly is the key  ;)

Thank you for the info Cal. I really like the idea of the MM215 and have heard nothing but great things. I just have to save up and get it.
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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2018, 07:11:52 AM »
Let me start with a preface: I am a millwright, I have a machine shop / metal fabrication shop and weld mostly heavier industrial things and some lighter sheet metal. I have an old TIG / Stick welder that is probably 30-40 years old that I bought used 20 years ago and currently a lincoln 250 amp Mig welder, and in the past several Miller MIG welders. OK with that said, here is my suggestions:
a. It takes more knowledge and skill to stick weld, but if you learn to stick weld you will have a foundation where learning to MIG will be a piece of cake. Stick welding has some benifits, you can weld steel, stainless, hard face, cast iron, and sort of aluminum. You don't have to have everything super clean to get a decent weld, (but it alway helps). You can weld outside in the wind, (hard to with MIG or TIG). you don't have to have a bottle of gas, regulator. You can get deeper penatration, and stronger welds with a stick, but it is not as fast to lay down a lot of metal as it is with MIG. You can find cheap used stick welder fairly easy, some of them industrial duty for what you can buy a MIG at Home Depot or Lowes.
b. Because MIG is seemingly so easy to do some people pick up a gun and just pull the trigger, that they never really learn how to weld. You can get very good quality welds with MIG, TIG and stick, but you have to learn. Because it is harder to get the feel of striking an arc stick as opposed to just pulling the trigger on a MIG gun some folks think that they are getting decent welds with Mig when all they are doing is piling some metal on top of what they want to weld with out really welding. However if you know how to weld and watch your puddle you can get good welds with both MIG, TIG and stick.
c. I agree with the gentleman earlier: find your local welding dealers. They service that industry only and they know their stuff, Home Depot is a lumber yard not a welding supply house. Yes HD can have some good buys, (I can get cut off wheels for my chop saw cheaper one at a time there then what I pay for a box at the welding supply), but they only carry the smallest welders and the smallest selection of supplies.
d. Don't buy a wire feed welder that is not set up to use gas shielding. No flux core!!! Yes it is cheap, but you will regret it and fight with it and it just isn't user friendly. Don't buy a welder that runs off of 110 volt power, it is too small and when you get into welding you will regret not having a "real" welder. Also 110 VAC welders have a low duty cycle, weld for a couple minutes then stop and let it cool down.
e. OK now I will go off on my personal rant!!! In todays economy there are great deals in used equipment. This is usually industrial equipment used by business that have gone out of business long before their welders were used up. Because I buy equipment at industrial auctions I daily get emails on upcoming auctions. There is also Craig's list, there are a lot of guys that bought tools or toys and need the money now. In my opinion the two biggest names in welders is Miller and Lincoln, they are the big names because they earned that reputation over many decades, this is not to say that there aren't others, buttttttttttt. I personally like Miller https://mechanicguides.com/best-cheap-welders-money/ but the last wire feed I bought was a Lincoln because they had a promotion at the time. the way I see it you can either buy a new bottom of the series small welder or a used more than you will ever need industrial machine for about the same price.
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g. Find good local suppliers: a good welding supply house, a good steel warehouse or service center and look on their bulletin boards for used equipment and ask them if they know of anyone wanting to sell used machines. Welding supply houses may know a customer who wants a bigger, or different machine but hasn't bought it because they have a good used machine now.
h. Like any skill, read and learn all you can then spend time doing it. Get some scrap steel and weld, weld weld. watch your puddle and play with it, pull it, push it, watch it.

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Re: Thinking about buying a TIG welder
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2018, 10:45:47 AM »
a. It takes more knowledge and skill to stick weld, but if you learn to stick weld you will have a foundation where learning to MIG will be a piece of cake. Stick welding has some benifits, you can weld steel, stainless, hard face, cast iron, and sort of aluminum. You don't have to have everything super clean to get a decent weld, (but it alway helps). You can weld outside in the wind, (hard to with MIG or TIG). Stick is definitely the best process to learn first, though Stick or TIG both require tremendous skills. MIG, not so much.

b. Because MIG is seemingly so easy to do some people pick up a gun and just pull the trigger, that they never really learn how to weld. Too true.

d. Don't buy a wire feed welder that is not set up to use gas shielding. No flux core!!! Yes it is cheap, but you will regret it and fight with it and it just isn't user friendly. Don't buy a welder that runs off of 110 volt power, it is too small and when you get into welding you will regret not having a "real" welder. Also 110 VAC welders have a low duty cycle, weld for a couple minutes then stop and let it cool down. We differ here, somewhat. Flux Core is a VERY good process in certain circumstances. The biggest issue is most people run it DCEP, not DCEN as its supposed to be run. I've run miles of FC on industrial equipment, and it welds it's balls off. I do also like Dual Shield very much!. Like running 7018 on super clean metal but at about 6x the speed.

As or a 110v welder, for 90% of the guys on this forum that might buy a welder to work on their bikes, a  110v is plenty of machine. Duty cycle be damned. These folks aren't production folks. The time between moving, re-postioing, clamping, etc is more than enough lag to run the machine all day long due to the constant interruptions. I've run my MM200 on FC for 10 hours straight off a generator and NEVER tripped the duty cycle. And I WAS WELDING for almost 10 hours straight save for the occasional stretch, reload of a spool, and some short breaks for water and smokes. Duty cycle really becomes an issue when you push a machine at its limits of amperage, for a non-stop time. Not generally an issue for Hobbyist of DIY-er.

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