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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2017, 06:36:11 pm »
Geeto, you are not going to be able to see the full effect and amount of metallic in the color because of the limitations of the camera and thus the file included.   In person your eye will see the full effect and catch the light more of what you expect.  Reality is most of use do not have a view of the original colors as memory fades and any example that has seen the light of day that is a period correct original will have faded and we all know the original candy freedom green has that lovely brown and green bleed/fade.  Modern paints are not formulated like the old and they will not fade or age like the old original formulas.

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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2017, 09:04:37 pm »
It's difficult to get photos to catch all of the dimensions of metallic or candy paint -- let alone to show any paint correctly light balanced.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2017, 06:15:13 am »
It's difficult to get photos to catch all of the dimensions of metallic or candy paint -- let alone to show any paint correctly light balanced.

But the metallic paint can easily be seen in these crappy ebay pics...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253161170547
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2017, 06:59:27 am »
Geeto, you are not going to be able to see the full effect and amount of metallic in the color because of the limitations of the camera and thus the file included.   In person your eye will see the full effect and catch the light more of what you expect.  Reality is most of use do not have a view of the original colors as memory fades and any example that has seen the light of day that is a period correct original will have faded and we all know the original candy freedom green has that lovely brown and green bleed/fade.  Modern paints are not formulated like the old and they will not fade or age like the old original formulas.


I don't expect to capture "full" effect, but I do expect some effect, esp given the variation in lighting. What I am seeing on several different monitors from a high res apple down to my phone screen is that paint is looking like a solid non metallic color. I am not even seeing the usual color shift that metallic paints have at various angles. This isn't rocket surgery, plenty of people have been able to photograph planet blue metallic with everything from phone cameras to digital SLRs and capture at least some aspect of the metallic nature of the paint so I'm reluctant to just chalk it up to limitations of the "camera".

This isn't really a memory thing, I have current samples with various degree of fade, the original paint has a lot of metallic mica in it, I mean a lot. That's probably the only consistent thing about it from all the reference points I have. Even in shade the paint has a "grainy" look to it because of the volume of metallic.

All I wanted was a close up in direct sunlight pic so I could see if this was something paint related (like the supplier doesn't have an exact match) or user related (like maybe the base coat wasn't mixed thoroughly. Instead I got a fist full of faux internet brave attitude and insults. So at this point, I am going to express my lack of confidence in VMR paints and Pete's Ponies in being able to match a planet blue metallic. You can disagree and that's fine - It's just my opinion and one that I have been upfront about being based on bad internet photos - It isn't trolling, it's just my opinion, and it is subject to change if I see something better.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2017, 07:12:11 am »
Still doesn't look metallic enough.

I don't know what your agenda is but as I've mentioned, I am the one who ordered the paint (pre-mixed) and sent it to Pete, so if there's any fault as far as the paint used, it's mine.

Here is the website it came from, and it's clearly listed as Planet Blue Metallic:

http://www.ct70paint.com/planet-blue-metallic.html

So perhaps you should contact them and make your displeasure known to them.

I don't have an agenda...I have a concern. As someone who is contemplating a repaint in this color and wants an accurate color, I'd say it is a valid concern.

Since this is a discussion about painting a body set this specific color, and is one of the few places where there are pictures of this product in use, I would say this is completely an appropriate place to discuss the product. I will reach out to VMR as well.

I will point out, at no point did I say this is a "bad paint job" in terms of quality or workmanship. I think it's a fine job, It's nice, glossy, and even. I don't even think the "hue" of the color is off. My concern is with the metallic content of the paint as it shows in the work being presented and my desire to see if it is really a "photography issue" or a "paint" issue. I don't think this is unreasonable or invalid, nor are any discussions about it.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2017, 08:06:07 am »
It's difficult to get photos to catch all of the dimensions of metallic or candy paint -- let alone to show any paint correctly light balanced.

But the metallic paint can easily be seen in these crappy ebay pics...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253161170547
These shots are inside. Makes a big difference. Sometimes inside pics are better, show effects, but then the hue is off. I showed pictures from both venues Stevo. You can see the metallic better on inside shots, but then everyone was com-plaining about the hue. So I showed an outside shot. Funny, but I'm pretty sure, all the complainers fall into allthree of these categories. Not a painter, never had a photography course, never had an art course. I, as a matter of fact, have done all.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2017, 08:19:43 am »
but I'm pretty sure, all the complainers fall into allthree of these categories. Not a painter, never had a photography course, never had an art course. I, as a matter of fact, have done all.

Except the guy who is skeptical only of the metallic content of the paint - he's just a troll (with a Bachleor Of Fine Arts and who worked as a sign painter/pinstriper) according to the almighty "pete"
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2017, 09:28:55 am »
As a painter myself I say, if the blue color is correct, (and it looks good to me) order it and use it.  If it doesn't have enough metallic in it..add it.  Geez.  Metallic flake comes in all sizes, colors, and varieties.  Personally, I think this paint job looks very nice.  I'd be proud to've done it and to own it. 
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2017, 11:46:52 am »
This looks right to me..
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2017, 12:11:18 pm »
The hue looks correct.  I just think you can't really see the true dimension of paint from a single photo.  I'm sure this looks spectacular in person.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2017, 03:17:44 pm »
It's difficult to get photos to catch all of the dimensions of metallic or candy paint -- let alone to show any paint correctly light balanced.

But the metallic paint can easily be seen in these crappy ebay pics...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253161170547
These shots are inside. Makes a big difference. Sometimes inside pics are better, show effects, but then the hue is off. I showed pictures from both venues Stevo. You can see the metallic better on inside shots, but then everyone was com-plaining about the hue. So I showed an outside shot. Funny, but I'm pretty sure, all the complainers fall into allthree of these categories. Not a painter, never had a photography course, never had an art course. I, as a matter of fact, have done all.

Who's complaining?   And why are you always so defensive??

When it comes to vintage Honda paint and paint jobs, many of us are very interested in how to obtain the proper color for a proper restoration, so we follow along. 

We complimented you on your work, the paint was supplied to you from a good source, we are not knocking you, but you try to degrade us?

FYi - I was a Pro painter for a short while [wasnt for me] and I took art class...

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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2017, 04:27:59 pm »
It's difficult to get photos to catch all of the dimensions of metallic or candy paint -- let alone to show any paint correctly light balanced.

But the metallic paint can easily be seen in these crappy ebay pics...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253161170547
These shots are inside. Makes a big difference. Sometimes inside pics are better, show effects, but then the hue is off. I showed pictures from both venues Stevo. You can see the metallic better on inside shots, but then everyone was com-plaining about the hue. So I showed an outside shot. Funny, but I'm pretty sure, all the complainers fall into allthree of these categories. Not a painter, never had a photography course, never had an art course. I, as a matter of fact, have done all.

Who's complaining?   And why are you always so defensive??

When it comes to vintage Honda paint and paint jobs, many of us are very interested in how to obtain the proper color for a proper restoration, so we follow along. 

We complimented you on your work, the paint was supplied to you from a good source, we are not knocking you, but you try to degrade us?

FYi - I was a Pro painter for a short while [wasnt for me] and I took art class...

Maybe you are feeling defensive . . . because I wasn't referring to you. Since I'm not seeing all the posts ( love the ignore list ) I'm guessing our favorite antagonist is keeping the fire burning.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2017, 05:41:57 pm »
I've watched all of your painting threads and the work is amazing. I'm just learning to paint myself, and I appreciate all the attention to detail. Just an outsiders observation, I agree with Stev-o. As soon as someone asks a question or points something out that isn't flattering, your replies are very defensive. Yeah I'm sure there's always a few that want to stir #$%* up, but most are here to learn and help where they can. Relax man, maybe people's replies are not with bad intentions.

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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2017, 05:48:27 pm »
I don't believe I did that at all. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, you'll see took some more pics to show the hue better. I didn't make a big deal out of it, other than saying pics inside change the hue. And what I guess a lot of you are missing here, although I did elude to it, is that the A Hole that got me going has done it before, he has done the exact same thing on other threads, to me. I don't take that lying down. Maybe you do, but if he was in front of me he'd have a fat lip. I don't antagonize anyone,. I share straight truth about things,. But I'm not shying away. Look what I have done, I added Sir AH to my ignore list. But obviously he is still posting here. Why doesn't the moderator do something about that? I researched him, he has done it to others, do a few minute search. You'll find others saying the same things about him. But the moderators have allowed it to continue. I have turned the cheek by adding  him to the ignore list, but I don't apologize for anything I've done or written here.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2017, 06:04:15 pm »
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« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2017, 06:45:04 am »
I don't believe I did that at all. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, you'll see took some more pics to show the hue better.

To be fair you have asked a the moderators to remove a lot of posts from this thread, including mine, yours, and others, including one where your first response to me was to call me all sorts of names, and another where you made cryptic references to a conspiracy of people out to get you. You can't go back and point to this record that is both faulty and suspect and say..."See I am not the bad guy" when you had all your bad guy responses removed.

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I didn't make a big deal out of it, other than saying pics inside change the hue. And what I guess a lot of you are missing here, although I did elude to it, is that the A Hole that got me going has done it before, he has done the exact same thing on other threads, to me.

Who is this person? I mean if you really think they are out to get you - then name them, don't protect their anonymity.

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I don't take that lying down. Maybe you do, but if he was in front of me he'd have a fat lip.

A bit of friendly advice: it's probably not wise to make threats of physical violence to people on a public forum on the internet where anybody can find it. Also this doesn't make you look tough or professional, it makes you look like a poor business person, overly sensitive, caustic, and difficult to deal with. You know what a professional does? he doesn't take the insults personally, reviews them for metrics that might provide some grain of feedback, and then if there is no value mostly ignores them. But then a professional person wouldn't have a collection of people that think he's caustic and take digs at him every chance they get because they know he's gonna fly into a rage. You know why you have trolls? because you feed them. you can't help yourself.

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I don't antagonize anyone,. I share straight truth about things,. But I'm not shying away. Look what I have done, I added Sir AH to my ignore list. But obviously he is still posting here. Why doesn't the moderator do something about that? I researched him, he has done it to others, do a few minute search. You'll find others saying the same things about him. But the moderators have allowed it to continue. I have turned the cheek by adding  him to the ignore list, but I don't apologize for anything I've done or written here.

Who is AH? Again why are you being cryptic about someone you think is messing with you? As for the moderators, they have trimmed this thread plenty, but you know what there is a limit to what they can do and they aren't going to go out of their way to remove every trace of your hostility to make you look better. They will remove some, because lets face it some of these conversations get really ugly, but they aren't in the business of protecting you from yourself.


My biggest disappointment here has been your attitude. I saw that candy red tank you did and was blown away by it, it was gorgeous and because of it I honestly really was considering having you do a repaint of my bike, and then this thread came up...and...well...ain't gonna happen now.
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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2017, 11:57:41 am »
Being add to his list is a right of passage on this forum.  I'm on there.  Proud of it. Honesty, I don't remember why I was added to his list.  But he's definitely an aggressive sort.

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Re: '75 Planet Blue Metallic project
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2017, 12:41:05 pm »
 We're all done here. Tried to clean up this thread but it's no longer about paint.
 If I removed the posts from everyone that's been reported, this thread would no longer exist.

 You guys stop antagonizing each other. Please.
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