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Offline RICK MAN

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RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« on: September 20, 2017, 12:07:28 PM »
Hi, I have just noticed after re installing the 750 F2 engine in my 1979 Rickman that it appears the engine is not central in the chassis.
I thought that I had put the engine spacers in the wrong positions thereby throwing the engine over to the left ( when sitting on the bike ).
I looked back at some photos I took before the strip down and it shows the engine over to the left.
It doesn't look right and I would have thought the engine would be relatively central in the frame.
Also there's a few things telling me it should go over to the right more like one exhaust is close to the frame and the engine is touching the frame at the bottom where the oil pipes attach. A top view shows the carbs are looking NOT centralised.
Question.
Should the engine sit centrally in the frame or offset ?
any assistance appreciated
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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 12:16:01 PM »
Engine are not necessarily centered in the frame  so don't get worried yet.
 Due to the design of the lower front and rear mounts,  unless your design used shims or spacers... it can probably only  go one way. Are you using stock or custom pipes ?
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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2017, 12:32:12 PM »
F2 engine in a 79 frame? 
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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2017, 12:44:32 PM »
Hi, Unfortunately the pictures I took on strip down don't show all the spacers.
The Rickman Nickle frame is as Im sure you know not the same as the standard frame so spacers were used.
There are 3 on the rear two engine to frame mounts which I have original photos of.
The front right hand bolt on triangle shaped mount as you site on the bike has  two small spacers which would pull the engine to the right. If I remove these two the engine pulls over and everything clears ok
BUT I don't want to stress the engine in the frame.

ill send some photos

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 12:47:23 PM »
Photos as it is with the front small spacers removed, nothing tightened yet though

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2017, 12:48:46 PM »
Hi, I have just noticed after re installing the 750 F2 engine in my 1979 Rickman that it appears the engine is not central in the chassis.
I thought that I had put the engine spacers in the wrong positions thereby throwing the engine over to the left ( when sitting on the bike ).
I looked back at some photos I took before the strip down and it shows the engine over to the left.
It doesn't look right and I would have thought the engine would be relatively central in the frame.
Also there's a few things telling me it should go over to the right more like one exhaust is close to the frame and the engine is touching the frame at the bottom where the oil pipes attach. A top view shows the carbs are looking NOT centralised.
Question.
Should the engine sit centrally in the frame or offset ?
any assistance appreciated

 Engines in motorcycles are usually centered in the chassis by weight, not external dimensions. if you want to check if your engine is centered properly, find the engine's center of gravity and then find the center of gravity for the chassis and see if they line up width wise. I think you'll find that the engine sits offset. Think about it, one side of the crank has this giant heavy spinning weight for the stator, and the other side doesn't.

I've seen some guys balance lateral weight on bikes using a block and tackle. They find the CG for the engine/frame by suspending it till it is level and then adjust by moving weight around.

F2 engine in a 79 frame? 

Rickman made SOHC and DOHC custom frames well into the 1980's. It's not a stock honda frame. Interestingly enough, the SOHC and DOHC rickman are pretty much the same frame.


BTW, SOHC engines do bolt right into stock honda DOHC frames. I've actually seen more than one over the years. no welding or cutting, the engine mounts line up. You can't put a DOHC in a SOHC frame because the engine is too tall.
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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 01:09:31 PM »
Maybe then the engine was correct being offset. Original photos I have also show it offset and I don't think the engine had ever been out of the frame.
Weird as it doesn't look right and 2 of the exhaust pipes are very close to the frame.
Thanks for the info so far

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 01:18:19 PM »
Here's the original before and with the spacers removed at the front

not sure if to put back to original or the straightened up version ?

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 01:45:31 PM »
Here's the original before and with the spacers removed at the front

not sure if to put back to original or the straightened up version ?

Ride it. If it feels like it want's to fall over to one side, adjust it.


I don't think the cb750 engine is "centered" in the stock frame to be honest. It just looks like it because there is a lot of bodywork to visually distract.
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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 02:09:11 PM »
If the pipes don't hit and the sprockets line up - go with it.

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 02:38:34 PM »
Looking at your 1 and 4 exhaust, which are about evenly spaced from the frame,  I'd say it's correct. Not much wiggle room either way.

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Re: RICKMAN 750 QUESTION
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 03:55:13 PM »
I'd work backwards based on chain alignment. Assuming you have already got both original wheels etc of course. The wheels will need to be aligned straight correctly, then you need to ensure the engine is positioned so that the front and rear sprockets are aligned.   That should tell you where the spacers need to go.. hopefully....