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cb550 Jetting
« on: October 12, 2017, 09:27:30 am »
Hi all - Recently finished a ground up CAFE/Brat build and working on jetting. 

Setup:  Engine - 77 cb550 engine brand new (found it in a crate from the factory in Wisconsin in a guys heated garage), cam chain set, valves set to spec, timing dead on with a light, etc, steel dragon velocity stacks with ramair sock filters, delkevic stainless steel 4 into 1 exhaust and using the muffler/baffle.  Carbs are 78 model well cleaned and floats were set at 14.5MM (came at 14.5MM instead of 12.5MM I have ready elsewhere and running great so I left them alone).

Started with 110 mains and stock 42 stock slows.  Very lean across the board.  Throttle was crisp.  Upped the mains until 118 and still lean.  Upped the mains to 120 and stock slows to 45 (read 1 slow jet for every 3 increase in main so I figured going up so much on main, 1 slow jet increase was warranted) at the same time.  Probably should have done these separately.   

45 slow was 1 turn out and rich at idle (exhaust smelled rich) but plugs cleaned up a bit as the throttle was opened to WOT.  I upped the mains again to 122 to see if power increased and the bike responded very well and pulls very strong to WOT.  I have not plug chopped at WOT with the 122's but throttle response is perfect (from what little knowledge I have) and the top end of the bike seems like the appropriate temperature after some riding. 

Playing with slows to ensure it is not too rich and I turned them to 1/2 out and throttle response was poor (initial blip killed the bike while cold) and the bike back firing through the exhaust.  I turned them out a little more and throttle response is poor until the bike heats up.  Then it is ok but not as strong as when I was 1 turn out on the pilot (when I was 1 turn out, there was no stumble up to WOT).

I guess my question is...most guys are running stock 42 pilots with a set up similar to mine.  the bike seemed very lean at idle with the stock pilots...bike would get very hot quickly even at 2 turns out on the pilot (and more than 2 turns created a bucking action).  My question is, should I stick with the 45 pilot and tune it a little rich (which I heard is how these bikes need to be at idle anyways) or go back to 42's? 

My second question, after about 1/2 hour of riding, if I downshift quickly (or sometimes at all), the bike will die and will not return to idle without a blip of the throttle (to up the RPMS a bit).  It is not an overheating issue.  Maybe its carbon fouled plugs?  The plugs have some carbon build up but it's not terrible (black from the lip through the insulator but never wet after a ride and not dark on the threads). 

Have not done plug chops at WOT b/c it is near impossible to do it given I live in the city of Chicago (traffic even at 6 am, red light cameras, tons of lights and stop signs).  Thinking about taking it to a dyno once the jetting is close. 

However, anyone with any advice?



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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 09:46:45 am »

I guess my question is...most guys are running stock 42 pilots with a set up similar to mine.


What makes you think that? Almost everyone I know of that runs non-stock intake on a 550 has had to up the main and slow jets.

First of all, everyone here is just going to recommend you run with the stock air box and I tend to agree with them. The issues you're seeing are exactly why; the stock motors really don't like pods/stacks even with a 4-1. It really only makes sense for street purposes if you're running a hotter cam IMO.

I would try to tune it with the 118/45 if it were me. 118 still seems a little big IMO but again this is the rabbit hole you enter when you try to pull the air box.




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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 10:15:31 am »
what needle setting are you using?  Try raising one notch at a time to make it run more rich.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 10:54:03 am »
to start with, check actual fuel level in the carb bowls with the clear tube test.
to me, your jet sizes seem to big for your setup. i suspect your fuel level might be low.

and i agree, once you are within a reasonable ballpark a trip.to the dyno can save you some headache.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 11:05:25 am »
I was about to +1 the "whoa thats a big main jet" till I remembered he's dealing with V stacks.

Turning the a/f mix screws OUT generally allows more air thru the circuit - lean.  The erratic performance of going beyond 2 turns out confirms that.

You could be close to right with the 45 slow.

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 11:18:23 am »
could be, i still think his fuel level maybe off. someone tonkered with the carbs and probably set the level oncorrectly. then bonkey says "they run great" but clearlu they don't otherwise we would not have this thread.
so... why not set the base right first?

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 12:52:42 pm »
Would the v-stacks work more efficiently if he polished the intake manifolds?  Air speed and such?

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:50 pm »
Few answers to the below:

1.  Have to start with this...stock airbox is not an option. I bought a bike that was chopped to bits and do not have a stock airbox.   Secondly, I wholeheartedly believe the bike can be tuned well enough with my set up for street purposes. I only believe this because of the experience of others on this forum!

2. I set the floats at 14.5MM.   I actually set them 0.1-0.2MM higher (allow a little more fuel) b/c I did not want the bowls to empty with the larger jets. Supposedly, the 1977 carbs were set at 14.5MM and the 78 were set at 12.5MM (even though the Honda manual I have states 14.5MM for both years).   I have a 77 engine with 78 carbs and since they came close to 14.5MM out of the box (off of ebay), I set them to 14.5MM.    I have not clear tubed and will after reading the suggestions but I am definitely not overflowing the bowls (or the overflow tubes) and don't think I need fuel at WOT because the bike pulls and pulls.  I think the clear tube suggests fuel be ~1-2MM below the bowl and carb body connection point?

3. The carbs changed for the 550 in 77 and changed from a fuel air screw to fuel metering.  On the 1978 carbs, inward is to lean outward is to richen.  My tests of inward to lean played out based on how the bike responded when I turned them to only 1/2 out from fully closed (choke helped smooth out the throttle response, popping on decel, etc.). 

4. Needle setting is stock.  Messing with the needle on the 78's is a pain.  Only messing with those after main and pilots are as close as possible (and may not even touch them until a dyno tells me too).  Raising the notch drops the needle and makes it more lean, not rich, right?

5. As far as main jet, I read you can tune by taking it to the drag strip and keep upping the main until HP falls off at WOT.  I upped to 122 and the bike pulled better than ever.  So I think I am really close with the 122.  The bike also doesn't gurgle rich so its not way off. 

If I can summarize, make sure fuel levels are appropriate (if not this will obviously change my jet set up because floats richen the whole range), 45 pilot seems reasonable, this will continue to be a fun and rewarding process that gets better with time?

Any idea on why the idle dies out after running for a bit?  Any other reasons than fouled plugs or heat?

 

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 01:04:30 pm »
Would the v-stacks work more efficiently if he polished the intake manifolds?  Air speed and such?

Yes.  If the v-stack was properly designed and placed for non- turbulent air flow, rather than just looking good.
And, any actual performance benefit would be somewhere around or above red line, where the stack provides some air compression.

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 01:23:12 pm »
Even with stacks 122 seems super high. I had steel dragon velocity stacks on my '78 550 and only went up to a 110. Have you checked for air leaks? Carbon build up on the plugs would suggest a rich running condition.

You can still do an idle plug chop to dial the idle in. Only need a fan on the motor to keep it cool for the 5 or so minutes you do it.

Also, steel dragon velocity stacks are pretty much for show, and having filters in there destroys the laminar flow they're supposed to create anyway. But still, you can get it running just fine with all this stuff. I also recommend a dyno. I have a place near me that charges like $60 for three pulls. You can see where you are and adjust as needed. Maybe take video  and post here so we can try and help.

What's the make of the jets? Keyster? Curious how accurate they drill them.

I would do the clear tube on the carbs, idle chop with new plugs and post pictures of the plugs. Set fuel level about 3mm below the seam. No chance of the bowl draining empty because of fuel being sucked up too much. A clean petcock can easily supply all the needed fuel. I have a stock petcock on my built up 674cc build with race carbs and that's not even an issue.


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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 01:37:08 pm »
I don't remember what I ended up at, but I'll check - I think I'm at 45 and 110.  I'm at 35' ASL with stacks and a chopped 4-2.  I'll need to raise my needles up a click for the mid throttle.  I bet you're too rich across the board - except 1/4 to 3/4 throttle where it is probably solid because you have a large main jet and the needle in the middle- why it feels like it's pulling so well.  Your bike is probably dying and you have carbon build up because it's too rich.

The higher up the needle you move the clip the leaner it will be.  Moving it higher allows the taper to sit lower.

I always set my floats parallel with the seam and have never had problems.

Yes.  If the v-stack was properly designed and placed for non- turbulent air flow, rather than just looking good.
And, any actual performance benefit would be somewhere around or above red line, where the stack provides some air compression.
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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 01:48:49 pm »
What do you mean "chopped 4into2"?  Picture?

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 02:10:26 pm »
No air leaks (sprayed wd 40 around boots while running).  The engine was new and included the boots and o rings (so also new). 

Fine with destroying air flow by having filters because I have no rear fender and want some longevity out of the engine.  I picked stacks vs. pods because I read they were easier to tune (give stock airbox has stacks). 

Jets are all keihin. 

110 mains were super crisp throttle and the insulators were white...not even a hint of fuel (with a 42 pilot and 110 mains).  The engine by the valves would burn my hand just tapping it with my hand.  I was only doing 10 minutes rides though because I was breaking in the rings.  The bike actually overheated with 115 jets on a 30 minute or so ride! 

I plug chopped with the 42 pilots and the plugs were brand new clean (at 1.5 turns out).  Not any fuel on them at all.  That is why I went up to 45's. 

I have a brand new petcock as well.

If the 122's are not close, then I am absolutely lost.  The plugs are not super fouled.  They are black from the lip through the insulator and tip.  I understand how the pilot, main, needle, and floats contribute to fuel supply (pilot up to 1/4th throttle, main + needle up to 3/4th, drop needle = less fuel, 3/4 and above main, floats affect mixture across the whole range but need to be a minimum level to ensure the engine does not starve for fuel at WOT), and how a 4 into 1 and stacks could create more air flow/air exit and lean the mixture.   

If I do a plug chop at idle, what color should the plugs be when I pull them after the bike warms?  Tan - grey?  I thought these had to be jetted rich at idle and prolonged idling (as in city conditions) would foul plugs eventually.  So does that mean that I need it to be a tad lean on the main jet to burn off the carbon from idle or lean at idle to ensure it does not build up carbon and then a good mixture thereafter to make sure it does not overheat? 

I will check fuel supply b/c I have not done that yet.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 02:21:23 pm »
2. I set the floats at 14.5MM.   I actually set them 0.1-0.2MM higher (allow a little more fuel) b/c I did not want the bowls to empty with the larger jets. Supposedly, the 1977 carbs were set at 14.5MM and the 78 were set at 12.5MM (even though the Honda manual I have states 14.5MM for both years).   I have a 77 engine with 78 carbs and since they came close to 14.5MM out of the box (off of ebay), I set them to 14.5MM.    I have not clear tubed and will after reading the suggestions but I am definitely not overflowing the bowls (or the overflow tubes) and don't think I need fuel at WOT because the bike pulls and pulls.  I think the clear tube suggests fuel be ~1-2MM below the bowl and carb body connection point?

With intake and exhaust mods, the stock setting are mostly meaningless for your application.
Sock filters will negate any possible benefit of V stacks even if they are properly aerodynamic.  Because the sock will introduce turbulence at the stack lip entrance, which is exactly what the lip and stack is trying to prevent. 

Mostly what you are trying to compensate for is the massive increase in throat pressure shortening the intake duct instigates.  Each jet flows relative to the pressure differential across it.  It's throat pressure vs the atmospheric pressure supplied at the bowl vents.  Shortening the duct brings the carb jet outlets closer to the atmospheric source, reducing the fuel jets volumetric contribution.  Since there is no mention of changing the engine's volumetric efficiency, cc changes, or valve timing, the engine will suck nearly the same volume of air it did before duct changes.  The result: nearly the same O2 supply, but less fuel to pair with it.
The stock settings in every throttle position will be wrong, and almost certainly lean.

Raising fuel level in the carb bowls, is probably the first step in adjustment compensation.  The closer the fuel is to the jet exit point (carb throat) the less energy or force is required to lift it.  14.5mm is fine for the stock bike, to enrich the entire carb operational range, go higher in bowl fuel level.  The limit, of course is the overflow stand pipe inside the carb bowl.  For initial test and try method (vs dyno), go to 12.5mm float height, or as near the seam as you can with the clear tube measurement.

3. The carbs changed for the 550 in 77 and changed from a fuel air screw to fuel metering.  On the 1978 carbs, inward is to lean outward is to richen.  My tests of inward to lean played out based on how the bike responded when I turned them to only 1/2 out from fully closed (choke helped smooth out the throttle response, popping on decel, etc.). 

When slides are opened, the carb throat is exposed to whatever atmospheric pressure is present at the inlet.  Since it is closer to atmospheric than when slide are near closed, the pressure rises, and reduces fuel flow from ALL the metering devices, yet more air is now available to the engine cylinder.  In short, the mixture goes too lean to support powerful combustion.
The carbs really should have accelerator pumps, like those found on the 750 and 650 machines with PD carbs, to allow very lean idle mixtures.  It doesn't, so the idle must be set over rich as a compromise, and get descent throttle response.  The idle mixture should be set so that the throttle can be snapped to the 1/2 travel position, while the bike is under load at idle.  I do this while rolling in top gear (5th).  The engine should pick up reliably to demand without wheeze or stumble.  Won't be quick due to gearing and lack of torque.  But, the provided mixture supports reliable combustion.  If you can go more than half throttle, then you risk a too rich idle mixture fouling spark plug electrode insulators and shunting spark energy away from the spark gap.

This adjustment I do last in the carb rejet process, as the leakage from the main and throttle valve paths do contribute some to the idle mixtures.

4. Needle setting is stock.  Messing with the needle on the 78's is a pain.  Only messing with those after main and pilots are as close as possible (and may not even touch them until a dyno tells me too).  Raising the notch drops the needle and makes it more lean, not rich, right?

Raising the needle allows more flow from the throttle valve jet orifice.  Hard to believe the stock setting is an anywhere near proper for an altered inlet duct.
I'd likely start with raising it one notch, (lower clip position from top of needle).  I don't care if it is a pain.  It controls mixtures from 1/8 to 3/4 throttle positions.  It is totally dominant for most all street driving.  It is the second fine tune adjustment in the process of carb rejetting.  First being the main.

5. As far as main jet, I read you can tune by taking it to the drag strip and keep upping the main until HP falls off at WOT.  I upped to 122 and the bike pulled better than ever.  So I think I am really close with the 122.  The bike also doesn't gurgle rich so its not way off.

Yes, the drag strip is a good place to determine main jet (Dyno better).  This is where you can set the max fuel flow the carb will ever deliver and the main jet is the most dominant provider.  Fuel requirements vary with the engine load.  It needs less fuel to operate at 9200 rpm with no load than it does with full load.  Drag race with pilot aboard and hold throttle wide open while shifting through gears.  Max engine load will occur at about 90 MPH when air resistance requires the most horsepower to overcome.  Hold for a few seconds, hit kill switch and pull in the clutch.  When stopped, pull out the spark plugs and read the deposits of a mixture indication when the engine was at full power.  If white, up the jet size.  If black deposits on the spark plug electrode insulator, then reduce the main jet size.  Stop adjusting when you get light tan on the insulator.  And move on to slide needle position adjustment for the same color.

You can use spark plugs for testing that have white insulator deposits (clean).  Sooted and/ or any prior operation deposits will require cleaning or renewal, to perform rejet mixture analysis.

Any idea on why the idle dies out after running for a bit?  Any other reasons than fouled plugs or heat?

Yes.  Too lean mixtures starve the engine progressively.  The RPM will gradually increase until the engine simply doesn't have enough fuel to support combustion.
Too rich mixtures will generally slow down gradually, until again there is too much fuel for available oxygen to ignite.

The engine cylinders do not scavenge 100% during run operation, particularly at idle due to cam/valve timing optimized for higher RPMs.  Residues left behind in cylinder contribute to idle efficiency.  Too lean delivery uses up any residues.  Too rich creates build up.  This latter is why so many "customized" harley riders must continually blip their throttle to keep the engine running.  (Or, they just crave attention using 2 year old behavior.)

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 02:25:59 pm »
The motor will get very hot to the touch even if it was running rich. Since you can't do a proper plug chop for the mains you saying they were white doesn't really mean anything. That probably shows more of the lower throttle ranges as you must have slowed down to stop.

How do you know it overheated? I trust that you have knowledge in carbs and such but 122's are very big. My 674 only has like 110 or 108 or something...I forget exactly.

Plugs should be darker tan but some some say that certain fuels don't show deposits well because of the cleaners added.


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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 03:03:12 pm »
So I guess I am lost  :D

I do understand the mains can be too large and create nice response in 1/4 - 3/4 but rich at top end.

From two tired - seems like first step is to raise fuel to appropriate level (closest to seam), raise the needle (drop the clip) as a starting point, and work the main jet, lastly work pilot. 


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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 03:11:38 pm »
I'm still wondering what your chopped exhaust setup is.

You'll be in a bad spot tuning wise if the pipes are too short.

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2017, 06:55:17 am »
Exhaust set up is delkevic 4 into 1 with the muffler, not chopped

Attached is a picture of the bike. 

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2017, 07:16:15 am »
I'm still wondering what your chopped exhaust setup is
That was mine - to prevent clutter in OP's topic, I won't post.  There's a pic in project bikes.


I don't remember what I ended up at, but I'll check - I think I'm at 45 and 110. 
I'm at 42 and 110 -  2 1/4 turns out.

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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 08:03:09 am »
Thanks for all the help.

I guess one last question before I go back to the drawing board.  If the fuel level is low in the bowls but not low enough to adversely impact WOT operation, why wouldn't I be able to tune it with increasing the jet sizes as opposed to raising the fuel levels in the bowls by changing the float height and then using smaller jets?  Seems like either way of tuning would work.  What is the difference between these two methods. 




 

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2017, 10:05:52 am »
From two tired - seems like first step is to raise fuel to appropriate level (closest to seam), raise the needle (drop the clip) as a starting point, and work the main jet, lastly work pilot.

Yes, I expect you need to make it easier for the fuel to rise into the carb throat.  Fuel bowl level higher.   Doing this makes all throttle positions richer, as I explained earlier.
It's not about fuel starvation of the bowl under high demand.  The fuel inlet to the bowl is well capable of supplying fuel even under the greatest engine demand.
Your goal is not to supply more fuel than when the bike was stock configured, but the make the carbs deliver the same amount of fuel as before the intake duct modifications were made.

My process for rejet is to make the main deliver properly as that supplies the engine's max needs in fuel.

The main jet also feeds the the slide needle net.  The slide needle restricts the mains flow even further and does so in throttle positions 3/4 to 1/4.  So, that is the next step.  Lastly, since the mains and throttle valve jet leak at idle position, the pilot circuit is adjusted last.  However, it is a balancing act.  The mains/slide needle jet supplies fuel in parallel with the pilot circuit.  Each can affect the other, somewhat.  But, for me, the pilot circuit has the most minimum contribution in all ranges, so I do that last.

Did my prior post go over your head?  Seems like I'm repeating the same material.  I can't tell you what to tweak and how much.  Your custom is unique.  If can can have you understand how the carbs work, you should be able to tweak the proper bits to fit your circumstances with the in person visual cues you experience.

If you just want to weak bits until the seat of your pants feels good,  I'll just wish you good luck with that.  But, if you want to understand why the carb does what it does, so you can make it do what you want, you need to understand that fuel flow in these carburetors is pressure force driven.  The atmosphere supplies the pressure, the engine cylinder provides a place for that pressure to go to.  The differential pressure is the force doing the work of fuel movement.
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Re: cb550 Jetting
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2017, 10:47:28 am »
Two Tired - prior post was not over my head.  It definitely cleared up the science aspect of carb functionality I was missing as well as a few questions I had about the interaction among/between the various fuel circuits.  I have seen the picture below and it makes sense. 

I understand that raising the fuel in the bowl allows the fuel to more easily flow through the jets based on the change in pressure my stacks have caused.  Float/fuel levels is therefore an obvious place to start the tuning process.  I am definitely going to rejet starting with appropriate fuel levels. 

My last question, only for my own knowledge, is can the same tune be achieved with a lower fuel level in the bowl and bigger jets as with a higher fuel level in the bowls and smaller jets?             

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2017, 11:19:25 am »
imagine the jets sitting in the carb. imagine underneath them, the surface of the fuel in the bowl. then you can imagine the small distance between fuel and jet. as vacuum increases in the carb throat the jet tries to "inhale" fuel to add it to the air that is also being sucked in, via your stacks.
now which will make it easier for the jet to draw in fuel: bigger distance to the fuel, or less distance to it? a larger jet will have capacity to pull in more fuel but, at the same vacuum, also the velocity of the stream will be slower than through a jet with smaller diameter, so its "pull" on the fuel will be weaker. combine that with larger distance (lower fuel level) and you may have a working but sub-optimal carb configuration.

(now i just made this up on the spot - somebody who actually knows this stuff, correct me if i'm wrong)

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2017, 11:22:07 am »
You're kinda fixated on bowl levels.  Set it, forget it.
Can engine suck in fuel? 
Yes?  Good! move on.
No?  Fix it until the answer is yes.

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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2017, 12:35:48 pm »
My last question, only for my own knowledge, is can the same tune be achieved with a lower fuel level in the bowl and bigger jets as with a higher fuel level in the bowls and smaller jets?           

The simple answer is, yes.  But, in practicality, more difficult, imo.

The pilot circuit and mains jet is easy enough to tweak, if you have a nice selection of jets to insert as needed.  Note the Jet needle has a taper to it.   So, it can vary fuel delivery along with air delivery at varying throttle positions from 1/4 to 3/4.  Know that jet needles can have different taper angles/ profiles, length, and diameters.  This means it can be fine tuned so as to make the 1/3 position richer, without changing the mixture at the 2/3 throttle position, yet still maintain the 1/2 throttle position metering that can be spot on.  Endless variations possible with custom taper Jet needles.
Raising the bowl fuel levels, makes every single metering orifice slightly richer, pilot, main and Jet needle, regardless of throttle needle position.  This counters, at least in part, the duct shortening pressure change that the carbs are now forced to operate across all ranges.

Due to the turbulence you've added with the v stacks and sock, there is no way to predict if the turbulence effects (swirling air) will reach in and cover the jet exit ports at only some inlet velocities.  This would lean or enrich the metering outputs specific to throttle position and actual engine speed.  Still, you can tune for WOT and idle without much difficulty, as those are somewhat static regimes in demand/delivery.  But, finding a conformal predictive Jet needle shape/ variable taper to provide correct mixtures at every throttle position and engine speed can be a challenge.

Further, while raising the Jet needle would richen the entire contribution of the throttle valve, there are no intermediate steps.  Fuel level, gives you a 1/4 or half step adjustment of the entire jet needle range.

Not sure I explained this well enough.  But, I have other demands on my time today.

Cheers,
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
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