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Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« on: October 14, 2017, 06:07:12 pm »
Does anyone know where I can find a exploded diagram or a step by step direction on how to put the starter motor back together?  The project I got has the starter disassembled and I don't know the sequence of what goes where.  I looked on the manual not much there as well as some sights like cmsnl.  Thanks

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 09:42:06 am »
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 10:34:21 am »
I know of no diagram regarding what you ask.

But, if you post a picture of the bits you have, we can probably offer some guidance.  I know I have rebuilt these before.  Been a while, though.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 02:20:29 pm »
the parts list..is not helpfull..this is the best i can get aut.
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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 02:23:55 pm »
Here is what I have.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2017, 02:24:43 pm »
Ya I saw that and wasn't much help with where the washers go :-\

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 02:36:18 pm »
i use to fill chims in..so it rotate fine..but not can be pull/pushed to far in the shaft..have a soft one against the  komutator and some hard ones behind the end.. it vill vork anyvay...
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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 03:09:26 pm »
Ok  You should probably assume that the smaller ID washers go on the commutator end.
 The larger ID metal washer goes on the armature at the drive end.
The black one is rubber, right?
It goes on the drive end shaft against the end plate bearing and the fingered washer goes against that with the nubs facing the end plate.
There ought to be wear marks on the nubbed washer which match the big ID washer fitted to the armature.  Verify that.

Clean the commutator with alcohol or brake kleen.  It needs to be clean.  Clean the brushes, too.
Place the armature into the field housing from the end opposite the brushes.
As you insert, Guide the brushes onto the commutator.
Lube the shaft and or the bearing, which you should have inspected for wear.  No oblong bearing contact surface.
Place the smaller ID washers on the commutator end shaft, and place the commutator end on and align with the guide features.
The drive end gets the larger ID thrust washer on the armature.
Inspect the drive end bearing for oblong wear.  Shouldn't, have any.
(here's where memory fades)
The nub washer goes on the armature with nubs facing outward.
The rubber washer goes next.  And the drive end cap goes on next, align the washer nubs to clear any casting webs, And the cap alignment features with the field housing.  (Don't forget the bearing lube.)
Insert the long bolts.  (I can't remember which end the heads are on.)  You'll have to check for installation clearance.  The motor itself won't care.
When it is all together, push the shaft in and out at the drive end to check end play, run out, or binding.  Shouldn't be more than a washer thickness movement.  I'll say 25 thou, about.

If all is well, Check the power post to case continuity. It is going to be very small, nearly a direct short.  But, you should be able to discern a small difference between probe ends touching each other directly, and then on the power post.
Zap it with 12v (short bursts), and listen for rubbing noises armature to field.   It's a torquey thing, so hold on to it for the test.

Issues?  Report back.  I'm doing this from memory.  My parts stores are 700 miles away, at the moment so I can't check my process.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 04:37:39 pm »
let me try and I will let you know

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2017, 05:41:40 pm »
Alright TwoTired,

Take look at the pics and see if I got the order right.  The black washer is plastic not rubber (don't know if that makes a difference or not).  Also how hard is it to replace the wire?  It has a lot of cracks in the plastic sheath.  Thanks

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2017, 06:11:27 pm »
Does the plastic washer have wear marks like it was spinning?

It looks like you have the order right, unless there are spin marks on the black plastic.  If so, we need to rethink.

With the right tools and parts, the wire is easily replaced.  Not sure if it is #6 or #8 gauge wire. Big lug terminals/ junctions on each end need a serious watt iron or a torch using heat shields for the insulation.

How's your soldering skills?

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 06:23:45 pm »
No spin marks on the plastic piece

And I am fairly good on the soddering side

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 06:30:05 pm »
I don't see the black washer in the second pic.  I think the first pic posted is what I would go by.

I don't remember how the wire is attatched to the motor. Soldered direct?
I have never replaced that.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2017, 06:33:30 pm »
It just occurred to me that if you can clean the cracked insulation wire thoroughly,  you can get liquid vinyl to patch the cracks.  Comes in black and you can repeat applications to get the thickness you desire.
Hardware store had some.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2017, 06:53:48 pm »
that may work

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2017, 06:55:33 pm »
I was cleaning this part and and this felt "washer" came out.  Is it important to replace?

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2017, 06:59:13 pm »
Also I cleaned the com with a brush wire.  and the continuity checks out.  I will give it a blast of crc lectra before reassembling

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2017, 07:00:23 pm »
How do you take the top part off with the brushes so it can be cleaned?

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2017, 07:25:36 pm »
I was cleaning this part and and this felt "washer" came out.  Is it important to replace?
Only if damaged.  Otherwise clean and oil. It is the reservoir, supplying oil to the porous bearing.  Use only mineral oil here.  Parafin based oils gum up the bearing pores and lead to oil starvation of the bearing.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2017, 07:27:59 pm »
How do you take the top part off with the brushes so it can be cleaned?
Not really a need. Clean in place and reassemble. Brake kleen or equivalent.  Just gonna get brushes dust later.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2017, 07:56:53 pm »
Gotcha. The felt washer is damaged. Do you know the part # off hand? Thanks

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2017, 08:20:47 pm »
Gotcha. The felt washer is damaged. Do you know the part # off hand? Thanks
No, no part number.
You can buy felt sheets at a craft store.
#11 xacto blade will cut you a new one.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2017, 08:24:47 pm »
And just use regular over the counter mineral oil?

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2017, 08:27:41 pm »
And just use regular over the counter mineral oil?
You know, some years ago I bought some from a sewing store.
Singer sewing machine oil.  I've been using it on porous bearings ever since.  Never dries out.

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Re: Exploded diagram of a 78 cb550k starter motor.
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2017, 08:54:28 pm »
Thank you for all of your help!