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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2017, 02:09:49 PM »
I think it was a tongue-in-cheek joke cal 🙄

Yep. I guess if a joke needs splainin' it's not a good one?

It was also a Tea Party-induced meme about 10 years ago, but memories and attention spans seem short these days.

Anyway, cheers Bomber and Gene.

Awww man, the tea party *eye roll*.
I’m almost certain their patron saint Ayn Rand would be livid with them.  For hijacking bits of her philosophy and generally missing the plot.

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2017, 04:18:55 PM »
Awww man, the tea party *eye roll*.
I’m almost certain their patron saint Ayn Rand would be livid with them.  For hijacking bits of her philosophy and generally missing the plot.

I'm surprised they weren't livid with her -- she was revealed to be on social security and Medicaid in her later years after a life of ranting against state assistance and the "parasites" who accept it.

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2017, 04:50:09 PM »
Awww man, the tea party *eye roll*.
I’m almost certain their patron saint Ayn Rand would be livid with them.  For hijacking bits of her philosophy and generally missing the plot.

I'm surprised they weren't livid with her -- she was revealed to be on social security and Medicaid in her later years after a life of ranting against state assistance and the "parasites" who accept it.

I had the impression Rand was anti totalitarian communism?  Had she invested enough points into the social security system to earn the retirement package?  Thanks to her lucrative book deals.  That would be a capitalist win!  If i understand her ideology correct.

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2017, 04:58:14 PM »
Your facts are wrong. She received Social Security and Medicare, not Medicaid. Both of which every person pays into this not making them “handouts” or “social programs”. Medicaid is a program for low income persons who are not yet eligible to receive Social Security. If you happened to look at your pay stub, you’ll see the prior two deductions forcibly withheld from your daily income at a rate set by the Federal Govt annually.

Hey buddy, don't know why you're so salty lately. Lighten up. It's the internet.
 
But yeah, Medicare not Medicaid, typed that in a hurry. And yeah, everyone pays into it, but according to Rand herself those who can't make enough money to become wealthy enough not to accept assistance are parasitical. And she condemned accepting it earlier in her life. Some people can perform the mental gymnastics it takes to clear Rand, others find it hypocritical.

Reminds me of elderly people in Sun City, AZ -- a retirement community where there are minimum age restrictions and the population is overwhelmingly retirees -- trying to get out of paying school taxes since there aren't any children who go to school there. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2017, 11:15:55 AM »

 The projects in downtown new york is an intriguing example.  It’s like an entire community is getting deserted on an economic island.  The social stigma there literally prevents children from being allowed to play with other children.  Like a yuppie caste system.
I still hope one day that everyone can agree social economic welfare programs are a good thing.  Of all the taxpayer money that is distributed.  This is the money that actually comes back to its citizens!

The development in Manhattan is driven by foreign investment. The luxury apartments are being bought by offshore individuals parking their money here in NY. As Real Estate unlike using banks there are no reporting requirements. Minorities are being displaced by this activities who would normally move to the outer Boroughs, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx. The problem is the new Millennium knowledge and professional workers are moving into those Boroughs and "gentrifying" them. This is an explanation and not an excuse. 

The public housing will remain intact and will form these 'islands" discussed. People with means will send their children to private schools and daycare. I live in a northern suburb where most of us we escaped to when we were forced out of the Bronx and other parts of the city starting in the 1960's. We have good schools, low crime and green spaces. The bottom line is we will not import here the conditions we moved away from there.   
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2017, 12:55:02 PM »
If a county doesn’t have certain community services, why then should it’s citizens pay taxes to fund them? That’s the beauty of living in any of the 50 different states; vote with your feet.

Sorry if you feel being corrected makes me salty. Perhaps you’re feeling overly sensitive?

Well let me help you understand then -- after missing the whole "government hands" joke I can understand why you might need an explanation.

Those seniors in Sun City? Most have already benefited from public schools (those who didn't go to private schools). It's where they got their educations. Perhaps it is difficult for you to see the immorality of benefiting from a public service when you're young paid for by public funds collected through taxes with the expectation that you will then pay back into the system, and then attempting to opt out of it when you are older. That's how public schools work -- those people went to public schools because the generations before them paid what they owed into the system. Perhaps it's difficult to see the benefit of education for future generations when you're close to expiring, especially if you think only of yourself and not about society as a whole. Seems to be one of the problems with Randian thinking and why most people give up that nonsense when they reach adulthood and develop empathy.


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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2017, 05:09:05 PM »
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Seems to be one of the problems with Randian thinking and why most people give up that nonsense when they reach adulthood and develop empathy.

While I haven’t read ALL of Rands’ “virtue of selfishness” - I never considered it a narcissists manifesto.  I could be wrong.  Always preferred her allegorical fiction works.  Either way, there is a bit of truth to the idea of self-care and preservation within “selfishness”.  Firemen are a good example of how prioritizing the self (through physical fitness regiment) benefits others (i.e. carrying bodies to safety). 

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 05:57:47 PM »
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Seems to be one of the problems with Randian thinking and why most people give up that nonsense when they reach adulthood and develop empathy.

While I haven’t read ALL of Rands’ “virtue of selfishness” - I never considered it a narcissists manifesto.  I could be wrong.  Always preferred her allegorical fiction works.  Either way, there is a bit of truth to the idea of self-care and preservation within “selfishness”.  Firemen are a good example of how prioritizing the self (through physical fitness regiment) benefits others (i.e. carrying bodies to safety).


Her ideas just seem elitist and petulant, and her rabid followers equally petulant. Nobody is saying that self-interest shouldn't ever play a role in decision making or how one considers one's relationships with others.

She also held some pretty disturbing ideas about race and history in America, despite attempting to decry racism.

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 11:48:06 PM »
All I can say about these “Soveriegns” is that while many of their objectives I’d agree with, they’ve fallen prey to an “Alex Jones” level conspiracy and we should pity their gullibility. There’s an internet conspiracy for every fool-

Alex Jones is a straight up fraud and legitimately terrible on screen actor.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2017, 08:36:14 AM »
If a county doesn’t have certain community services, why then should it’s citizens pay taxes to fund them? That’s the beauty of living in any of the 50 different states; vote with your feet.

Sorry if you feel being corrected makes me salty. Perhaps you’re feeling overly sensitive?

Well let me help you understand then -- after missing the whole "government hands" joke I can understand why you might need an explanation.

Those seniors in Sun City? Most have already benefited from public schools (those who didn't go to private schools). It's where they got their educations. Perhaps it is difficult for you to see the immorality of benefiting from a public service when you're young paid for by public funds collected through taxes with the expectation that you will then pay back into the system, and then attempting to opt out of it when you are older. That's how public schools work -- those people went to public schools because the generations before them paid what they owed into the system. Perhaps it's difficult to see the benefit of education for future generations when you're close to expiring, especially if you think only of yourself and not about society as a whole. Seems to be one of the problems with Randian thinking and why most people give up that nonsense when they reach adulthood and develop empathy.
Hey thanks for that. I’ve had a most stressful day and your joke was just what I needed to clear my headache. Only problem now is my ribs hurt from rolling on the floor laughing so hard.

There is nothing wrong with his post. Having been a Trustee on a Board of Ed for 6 years, that is how the system works. Few if any pay enough property taxes to cover their children's education. The residents in the district all pay into the system before and after their kids are in the schools. Some of these old coots are miserable. If they don't want to pay for decent schools, they will certainly pay for more cops. 
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2017, 10:50:41 AM »
A good chunk of that debt is from the bloated Military Industrial Complex that wages wars across this earth for mostly commercial endeavors and not defense of our own borders. That is a real waste of money in my mind. Books over bombs every day of the week.

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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2017, 11:11:23 AM »
There is nothing wrong with his post. Having been a Trustee on a Board of Ed for 6 years, that is how the system works. Few if any pay enough property taxes to cover their children's education. The residents in the district all pay into the system before and after their kids are in the schools. Some of these old coots are miserable. If they don't want to pay for decent schools, they will certainly pay for more cops.
You seem to miss my point: he assumes that someone doesn't "understand how things work" which is incorrect on his part (yet again). I know and understand quite well how municipalities are funded. He also makes the presumption that all these retiree residents were educated locally, have lived locally permanently, and are therefore bound to continue to pay into the system that educated them. That is ridiculous on many fronts.

And the allegation that a fiscal policy be driven by empathy is precisely why this country is $20,000,000,000 in debt and confronting an unfunded liability of $128,000,000,000. So please spare me the lecture on civics or the effort to goad people into paying beyond usage for services they no longer receive. Whether they did, and no longer will, is immaterial. Its what they receive NOW based upon where they live, is what should drive their taxes (at a municipal level). Nothing more.

Please spare me the pay for play scenario. Should we pay for Police since we have never called them or Fire protection, or the recreation or highway dept, or any other public service? I think not. You pay to support community services for the benefit of the entire community. This pay per use is some Libertarian wet dream that does not work. I was a Libertarian at one point so I understand it well. You need to trim the actual waste and not cut into underpinnings of society.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2017, 11:37:36 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2017, 01:03:35 PM »
This pay per use is some Libertarian wet dream that does not work.

Exactly. And compounded by some people who can't understand the difference between public and private goods (such as birth control), nor accept that if we have public education it has to be paid for by those who have already gone through it. Unless we decide that elementary school children should work and pay their own taxes. Or they should essentially be billed later for the services they use when young. Oh, wait -- that's essentially what the taxes do.

Man, some people try to dish it out but they can't take it.

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2017, 02:36:02 PM »
There is nothing wrong with his post. Having been a Trustee on a Board of Ed for 6 years, that is how the system works. Few if any pay enough property taxes to cover their children's education. The residents in the district all pay into the system before and after their kids are in the schools. Some of these old coots are miserable. If they don't want to pay for decent schools, they will certainly pay for more cops.
You seem to miss my point: he assumes that someone doesn't "understand how things work" which is incorrect on his part (yet again). I know and understand quite well how municipalities are funded. He also makes the presumption that all these retiree residents were educated locally, have lived locally permanently, and are therefore bound to continue to pay into the system that educated them. That is ridiculous on many fronts.

And the allegation that a fiscal policy be driven by empathy is precisely why this country is $20,000,000,000 in debt and confronting an unfunded liability of $128,000,000,000. So please spare me the lecture on civics or the effort to goad people into paying beyond usage for services they no longer receive. Whether they did, and no longer will, is immaterial. Its what they receive NOW based upon where they live, is what should drive their taxes (at a municipal level). Nothing more.

Please spare me the pay for play scenario. Should we pay for Police since we have never called them or Fire protection, or the recreation or highway dept, or any other public service? I think not. You pay to support community services for the benefit of the entire community. This pay per use is some Libertarian wet dream that does not work. I was a Libertarian at one point so I understand it well. You need to trim the actual waste and not cut into underpinnings of society.
Depends on how ridiculously bloated it is.


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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2017, 02:50:47 PM »
Why attack the public education system?  Flaws in learning model aside; society earns a huge divided from having less ignorance around.  Even a crotchety old grump can enjoy that.  So long as they keep off his lawn.

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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2017, 03:13:02 PM »
Cal, I think your argument against public education just highlighted the truth that it DOES take a village to raise a child.  As well as the legitimate interest of families to have schools in the first place. 

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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2017, 04:14:47 PM »
This pay per use is some Libertarian wet dream that does not work.

Moronic statement. Kindergarten children have parents don’t they? Or did this fabled benevolent public system hatch them? Shouldn’t a parent be expected to pay for their children? Aren’t school systems funded by the populace they serve? That is after all what a census provides: tax data based upon residents.

The US education system spends more per capita than any country in the works and generates more absolute idiots. Having been fortunate enough to travel the corners of this beautiful orb we call home, study how effective the shanty towns in South Africa are. People living in cardboard huts, thousands upon thousands of them. The first thing the erect? Yup, a school. They educate their children without so much as a dime of assistance and turn out some of the mostly highly educated students on the continent. All without your empathy.

This notion of ongoing tax for a terminated service couldn’t be more hypercritical. And you’re wrong yet again, birth control is funded by tax revenue in clinics, schools, hospitals, employer mandated health plans, and of course, any plan through the ACA. Obviously you are a student of our illustrious aforementioned educational system  ::)

I find this wet dream laughable. These old coots sent their kids to school on other people's dime. That was and is the system. Their kids received all of the special services they needed funded by the general population. Just moving from a nice suburb to some development in the middle of nowhere when their kids graduate does not absolve them of the responsibility to support the community. Since a couple with six kids pays the same taxes as we did with one kid would not be fair under your model of the world either.

You can think of us accumulating a debt for our kids education, we amortize that debt when we don't have kids in the system. These slick old coots, get the benefit and split when the bills come due.   

South Africa is a really great example: South Africa at or near the bottom of its various rankings (see chart), though its scores had improved since 2011. Its children are behind those in poorer parts of the continent. A shocking 27% of pupils who have attended school for six years cannot read, compared with 4% in Tanzania and 19% in Zimbabwe.        And yet money is not the reason for the malaise. Few countries spend as much to so little effect. In South Africa public spending on education is 6.4% of GDP; the average share in EU countries is 4.8%. The Economist https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21713858-why-it-bottom-class-south-africa-has-one-worlds-worst-education

People without education are a drag on society, if they wind up on welfare or the penal system, they consume with producing anything. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2017, 04:37:21 PM »
This pay per use is some Libertarian wet dream that does not work.

Exactly. And compounded by some people who can't understand the difference between public and private goods (such as birth control), nor accept that if we have public education it has to be paid for by those who have already gone through it. Unless we decide that elementary school children should work and pay their own taxes. Or they should essentially be billed later for the services they use when young. Oh, wait -- that's essentially what the taxes do.

Man, some people try to dish it out but they can't take it.
Moronic statement. Kindergarten children have parents don’t they? Or did this fabled benevolent public system hatch them? Shouldn’t a parent be expected to pay for their children? Aren’t school systems funded by the populace they serve? That is after all what a census provides: tax data based upon residents.

The US education system spends more per capita than any country in the works and generates more absolute idiots. Having been fortunate enough to travel the corners of this beautiful orb we call home, study how effective the shanty towns in South Africa are. People living in cardboard huts, thousands upon thousands of them. The first thing the erect? Yup, a school. They educate their children without so much as a dime of assistance and turn out some of the mostly highly educated students on the continent. All without your empathy.

This notion of ongoing tax for a terminated service couldn’t be more hypercritical. And you’re wrong yet again, birth control is funded by tax revenue in clinics, schools, hospitals, employer mandated health plans, and of course, any plan through the ACA. Obviously you are a student of our illustrious aforementioned educational system  ::)

Cal, you seem somewhat intelligent despite all of your moronic statements, but just don't seem to be able to recall the stuff you wrote in earlier posts nor do you seem to be able to address anything that anyone else writes that's critical of your arguments. I'm becoming endeared to the "cranky old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn" persona you've cultivated though. Well done, sir, it's cute.

First, if you think that all parents are able to pay equally for all children you're living in a dream. Public education is one thing that is an attempt to create more level playing field for a social good. It obviously fails, but it's an attempt.

The US certainly does not pay the most per student for education, not as a percentage of GDP -- which is a better indicator than a simple dollar amount calculation, especially considering a box of pencils doesn't cost the same in Timor-Leste as it does in the US. South Africa, by the way, is 38th on public expenditure for schools as a percentage of GDP. The US is 58th. So in a way, you're right -- South Africa doesn't give dimes of assistance. It gives rands and cents (I am pretty sure they don't call their ten-cent coins dimes, but I may be wrong).

As you set up the premise (simply going from your post), you argued that:

Do you still have insurance coverage for birth control despite the fact that your wife is beyond child-bearing years? If not, why not? By supporting the ongoing costs of birth control for the community at large you're repaying the benefits you may have derived. Yet you probably don't have that coverage. Hypocrisy on your part.

Without going into the whys and wherefores of birth control policy and insurance, or the Burwell vs. Hobby Lobby case, the way you set up the premise was whether you can opt out of birth control on an insurance policy, and if you could it would be immoral to do so since you may have derived benefits from it previously. It was a hypothetical that you contrived. Let me know if you need help understanding this, you world traveler, you!

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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2017, 06:30:15 PM »
I cannot discuss this with a well read person that does no know what the  GDP is. 
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2017, 06:56:40 PM »
I generally find that the people who are the quickest to anger and insults -- and use them instead of evidence or facts -- are those who are unhappy or insecure, and need to feel good about themselves by putting other people down. I also find that generally those who are quick to hurl accusations of stupidity and idiocy are those who might suffer from those very characteristics, and frequently not smart enough to know when they should be embarrassed.

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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2017, 11:51:50 AM »
Anybody else think that more money does not equal more education?

Anyone else notice that school district budgets don't focus so much on actual teaching?  Ever notice that administrative titles garner 130% or more of actual teacher costs?

Around here in CA, each voting cycle brings yet another bond or other form of tax increase...  "It's for the children".   Seems there is never enough money for school education.  Yet, student test score averages never improve and often decline. 

The pay for performance ethic is completely avoided, certainly at the administrative level.  And performance benchmarks are carefully circumvented.  Rather, the rallying cry is far more akin to "education at all costs", as long as someone else is paying for it.  Education is forwarded as "investing in the future".  But, it is being run as a business where administrators reap the lion's share of the benefits.  Actual education or improvements in training effectiveness are promised, but never delivered.  Many are "experimental".

My recent favorite is the group studies program.  Ostensibly, to make students fit better into job work force groups.  While it sounds plausible in principle, and makes a good sound bite.  It similarly punishes some hard working individuals for a group's failure...like a business venture's failing.  The grading evaluation is shared among students within the group, regardless of study achieved on an individual level.  If Johnny daydreams, and James provides the work group goal results, they both get the same grade.  Team effort is required, kinda like a chain gang, suppose.

In the real world, if you don't believe in your workplace work group personnel.  You can at least attempt to switch to another company or business venture.  In school you can get a failing or mediocre grade, because someone else didn't contribute.  Or, you can learn that you don't need to do much of anything, because someone else will do it for you. 

"Skilled progressive educators" came up with this experimental education project.  I have no choice but to pay for it.  In effect, they are applying "social engineering" behavior modification to the young at large, in place of basic skills to meet test score improvements.  The achievers are punished, the slackers are rewarded for abusing the system.  No one can be blamed, as that might harm the little individual's self esteem.  We are all equal, regardless of our contribution. 

...Yet "the answer" for improving student test scores is to tax the populace more.  ...While funding the gamble with children's learning potential, applying experimental programs.

Maybe the teachers and administrators are smart...at manipulating the system and public into providing a more comfortable livelihood.  I'll bet there are achievers and loafers within the school system, too.  Both getting paid to do-what-they-do...whatever that is.

Any wonder why some people would rather opt out of a broken system they can't influence?

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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2017, 12:20:09 PM »
I’m starting to wonder if my small town education was seriously under-rated.
Then again, my transcript was bloated with performing arts classes.  Because i had that dream of being a music producer for a good while.

It was college where the real suffering began.  Looking back years later, with more adult understanding, I can formulate a hypothesis.  How/why a perfect storm of undiagnosed disorders and high $take pressure to perform led to many, many blunders.  I joke about the kind of anxiety curated by college education, every 6 weeks a cycle, is clinical criteria for a severe mental health disorder.  But it’s not a very funny joke.

I learned a lot about learning over the past few years.  And the best lesson, accepting, being willing, and able to fail, then fail again.  It’s my own zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.  Because some things just don’t go according to plan with these old bikes.  Bolts strip or break, carb jetting not right, criss cross the ground wires in the headlight bucket.  In a world where you’re expected to be perfect the first time, these little machines provide a much needed reality check.

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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2017, 03:34:03 PM »
Anybody else think that more money does not equal more education?

Anyone else notice that school district budgets don't focus so much on actual teaching?  Ever notice that administrative titles garner 130% or more of actual teacher costs?

Around here in CA, each voting cycle brings yet another bond or other form of tax increase...  "It's for the children".   Seems there is never enough money for school education.  Yet, student test score averages never improve and often decline. 

The pay for performance ethic is completely avoided, certainly at the administrative level.  And performance benchmarks are carefully circumvented.  Rather, the rallying cry is far more akin to "education at all costs", as long as someone else is paying for it.  Education is forwarded as "investing in the future".  But, it is being run as a business where administrators reap the lion's share of the benefits.  Actual education or improvements in training effectiveness are promised, but never delivered.  Many are "experimental".

My recent favorite is the group studies program.  Ostensibly, to make students fit better into job work force groups.  While it sounds plausible in principle, and makes a good sound bite.  It similarly punishes some hard working individuals for a group's failure...like a business venture's failing.  The grading evaluation is shared among students within the group, regardless of study achieved on an individual level.  If Johnny daydreams, and James provides the work group goal results, they both get the same grade.  Team effort is required, kinda like a chain gang, suppose.

In the real world, if you don't believe in your workplace work group personnel.  You can at least attempt to switch to another company or business venture.  In school you can get a failing or mediocre grade, because someone else didn't contribute.  Or, you can learn that you don't need to do much of anything, because someone else will do it for you. 

"Skilled progressive educators" came up with this experimental education project.  I have no choice but to pay for it.  In effect, they are applying "social engineering" behavior modification to the young at large, in place of basic skills to meet test score improvements.  The achievers are punished, the slackers are rewarded for abusing the system.  No one can be blamed, as that might harm the little individual's self esteem.  We are all equal, regardless of our contribution. 

...Yet "the answer" for improving student test scores is to tax the populace more.  ...While funding the gamble with children's learning potential, applying experimental programs.

Maybe the teachers and administrators are smart...at manipulating the system and public into providing a more comfortable livelihood.  I'll bet there are achievers and loafers within the school system, too.  Both getting paid to do-what-they-do...whatever that is.

Any wonder why some people would rather opt out of a broken system they can't influence?

You have hit on the problem I have witnessed first hand as a reformer BOE trustee. The players understand the system very well and they play it well. To achieve reform you need to do a great deal of back channel work to prevent some of these experiments. I left the experience with a jaded view of existing education system. I am a proponent of Charter Schools that can have accountability built into them. This does not mean I agree with the old coots that don't want to pay. I think people should get what they pay for - a proper education for our youth. 
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Re: Sovereign Citizens
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2017, 04:19:43 PM »
I’ve seen a potential pitfall to private sector investment in schools.
Video Journalists probed into an oklahoma elementary school that was being funded by the regional oil tycoons. 
The curriculum was highly suspect.  Course modules like “fun with fracking!” and “how the environment benefits from fossil fuels” with adorable greasy roughneck driller mascots and altrusitic dinosaurs sharing this information in ways that children can absorb, then repeat (repeat & repeat).
It’s not exactly the kind of education I’d want for my progeny.  I place academic objectivity at a high priority.  Such bias exhibited by the oil and gas funded elementary makes me want to puke.