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Offline Dirty Steve

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Coil of Toil
« on: October 18, 2017, 07:52:30 pm »
Hi all,
I've been researching how to check the ignition system on my stock CB 750 K5 (points and all) and I've read about checking resistance in the primary and secondary coils and checking for voltage at the black and white wire feeding the coils. But I haven't seen anything about checking for voltage at the point where the blue/yellow wires come out of the coils (leading to the points).
I ask because I tried it on a new cheapie set of 5ohm coils I got from Dime City Cycles and found no voltage coming out of 1/4 but a reading of 12 volts coming out of 2/3. I thought this indicated that the 1/4 coil was bad because I was getting no voltage reading at the 1/4 points either. But when I switched back to my original coils, I got no voltage reading going out of either coil but I did get a voltage reading from both points.
I guess my question is: should I be checking for voltage coming out of the coils in the first place? Any ideas on why I'm getting such mixed results?
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Offline TwoTired

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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 10:32:30 pm »
The function of the points is to provide a ground so the coils can energize, which they do when the points are closed. If you wish to see voltage at the points, make sure they are not in contact mode, as in blocked open.

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Offline Dirty Steve

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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 07:02:17 pm »
Hi Two Tired, thanks for your response. My question is this: shouldn't you be able to check for 12V on the outgoing post of the coil (the one leading to the points)?
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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 07:17:44 pm »
Hi Two Tired, thanks for your response. My question is this: shouldn't you be able to check for 12V on the outgoing post of the coil (the one leading to the points)?

As I instructed, yes, if you block both point sets open.
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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 07:38:57 pm »
Ooohkaay! I get it now. Thanks!
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Offline Bodi

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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 07:05:16 am »
The coils should both have power on one primary lead whenever the key and kill switches are on. The other lead depends on the points and engine rotation, each set of points will be closed for about half a crank rotation. The exact rotation point where the points cam opens a points set (1-4 or 2-3) and cuts off power to its coil is when that coil produces the secondary coil spark pulse.
Measuring the points side of the coil just tells you if the points are open or closed, useful for some diagnostics. No real use diagnosing a coil unless you're looking for an open primary ... an Ohmeter would be easier.
Be a bit careful here, the coil primary generates a pretty high voltage "flyback" spike when power is cut off - hundreds of volts rather than thousands like the secondary but enough to give you a lift and possibly fry a cheap digital meter. The points condenser is supposed to absorb this but they go weak - and even with a good one, you'll take a jolt if touching the wire and ground.

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Re: Coil of Toil
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 07:21:36 pm »
Thank you, Bodi, for your detailed explanation and the warning.
Steve.
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