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Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« on: October 25, 2017, 10:00:08 AM »
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 11:56:58 AM »
The kawi and honda retro bikes look pretty good to me.  The kawi deserves a UJMAF seal of approval.  I’d ride the rubber off that honda all day!

The leaning trike had some serious suspension goin on.  Very unique look for sure. 
Was it piaggio that has been making three wheeled leaning scooters?  Its a proven design.  Weird as it may seem.

I heard legend once of a hobbyist that built a leaning trike as an experimental prototype.  Then he challenged his cop friends to a race.  Pitting his leaner trike against a cruiser in an urban game of cat and mouse.  Story says the leaning trike could manage intersection turns at speeds far beyond the police car could handle.  Thanks to all that extra front wheel traction. 

I wonder if yamaha will be testing their trike at the Isle of Man?  Be neat to see if 3 wheels are better than two.  Take that tight radius turn at the iconic stone wall.  The sick and twisted side of me wants to see how it handles the jump sections and that tricky right turn drop going past the villa.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2017, 12:27:27 PM »
 Friend of mine is very hot to trot for one of those new Goldwings. He is looking through his collection on what to dump and already talking to a salesman.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 02:40:34 PM »
They all look like they've been kicked in the ass' not at all fond of the hump look same as cars they should be sleek not lumpy.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 02:49:25 PM »
I like the Honda and Kawasaki. They did a great job on the Kawasaki making it look retro. 


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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 02:51:03 PM »
The Goldwing will be a big in sales for sure


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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 02:53:50 PM »
Quote from: Ridem32 on October 25, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
The Goldwing will be a big in sales for sure

It’s a big portion of honda’s dealership commitments.  Bread n butta
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 02:54:14 PM »
Not that fond of the look or price. Guess I am a vintage guy and like the old Wings.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 03:01:36 PM »
I'd buy a convertible before a Goldwing - then I wouldnt have to put my feet down at stop lights!
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 03:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Stev-o on October 25, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
I'd buy a convertible before a Goldwing - then I wouldnt have to put my feet down at stop lights!

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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 03:36:05 PM »
The Kawi hit the retro look on the head while offering modern performance and reliability.  They might actually take a bite out of the retro- BMW, Triumph, Yamaha market.

I suspect the Yamaha will corner decently with more rubber on the road, but that front looks SO HEAVY.  I'm a huge fan of the FZ-09 triple motor.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2017, 03:38:22 PM »
I am curious as to how the hybrid scooter will do.  It should bring some serious range and fuel economy.  If the price point is right, they will sell a TON of them especially in Asia and Europe.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2017, 04:06:35 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on October 25, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
The Kawi hit the retro look on the head while offering modern performance and reliability.  They might actually take a bite out of the retro- BMW, Triumph, Yamaha market.


The specs are impressive:  948 cc, 123 bhp at 9,500 rpm and 98.6 Nm at 7,500 rpm

But all that comes at a price, I'm guessing it will be around $13K.

I may be bias, but I won't be trading in my '75 Z1 anytime soon!

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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2017, 04:23:19 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on October 25, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
I suspect the Yamaha will corner decently with more rubber on the road, but that front looks SO HEAVY.  I'm a huge fan of the FZ-09 triple motor.

I don’t think the people who buy the trike are gonna be trying to squid whoolie it anyway.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2017, 05:10:56 PM »
I really like the kawi, the lines and proportions are right. It's just got a nice flow to it.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2017, 05:35:29 PM »
Quote from: Stev-o on October 25, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
I'd buy a convertible before a Goldwing - then I wouldnt have to put my feet down at stop lights!
That's what TRIKES are for........or maybe a sidecar?  8)
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2017, 07:21:01 AM »
All so ugly and boring.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2017, 08:39:07 AM »
Not my cup of tea, but Yamaha appears to be marketing the trike as a vehicle for the disabled or those who can no longer ride a 2 wheeler.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2017, 08:43:33 AM »
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2017, 12:48:50 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on October 27, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
And now a retro Suzuki SV650X
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-suzuki-sv650x-cafe-racer-teaser/#more-144126

Doesn’t look very retro to me 🤔

I’m sure it’ll sell like hotcakes no matter what.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2017, 01:05:04 PM »
 Kind of hard to make a bike model that wasn't built in the 70's or 80's look retro when it wasn't even born yet. Friend of mine raced a souped up early SV650 and made it barely street legal to hit the roads. It was a little wheelie machine as he liked to pass me on one wheel a lot  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2017, 01:37:05 PM »
I'm a little puzzled as to why Honda is entertaining another retro bike based on the CB inline 4, when the CB1000 has not been selling well.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2017, 01:38:51 PM »
Quote from: ekpent on October 27, 2017, 01:05:04 PM
Kind of hard to make a bike model that wasn't built in the 70's or 80's look retro when it wasn't even born yet. Friend of mine raced a souped up early SV650 and made it barely street legal to hit the roads. It was a little wheelie machine as he liked to pass me on one wheel a lot  ;D

Good point.  I think all of the other retros (Yamaha XS, Honda CB, BMW R, Ducati Scrambler, Triumph Bonneville/Thruxton, Kawasaki Z) are all styled after prior models.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2017, 02:28:10 PM »
The Kawi would be a better retro bike than the CB1100 if Kawasaki would give it proper 4-4 mufflers like the original Z1.

That was Honda's mistake with the CB in my opinion, it looks to much like the '79 and later DOHC's than the original SOHC. In other words, not retro enough.
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Re: Tokyo Motorcycle Show
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2017, 02:29:09 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on October 27, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: ekpent on October 27, 2017, 01:05:04 PM
Kind of hard to make a bike model that wasn't built in the 70's or 80's look retro when it wasn't even born yet. Friend of mine raced a souped up early SV650 and made it barely street legal to hit the roads. It was a little wheelie machine as he liked to pass me on one wheel a lot  ;D

Good point.  I think all of the other retros (Yamaha XS, Honda CB, BMW R, Ducati Scrambler, Triumph Bonneville/Thruxton, Kawasaki Z) are all styled after prior models.

That honda neosport doesn’t look “classic” to me either.

A street fighter like that will sell well as a “naked” cbr
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