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Offline GardenGnome

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Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« on: November 04, 2017, 04:05:09 PM »
I am wondering where to start in fastening the motor by myself. Last time I had an extra set of hands. I'm finding it extremely difficult to get bolts lined up and keeping the motor and frame from moving around. What have you found works best on where to start by fastening?
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2017, 04:26:44 PM »
On center  stand ...With the motor in the frame use plywood and floor jack under oil pan....start with the front brackets first, dont tighten...then the bottom and rear, use jack to line up...best use a 1/4 x 24" round bar to line rear hole up, then tap bolt through from other side
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2017, 05:27:36 PM »
Is the frame bare?

Put engine on it's side, padded, and place frame onto it.

With the forks and rear wheel off.  The frame is lighter than the engine.

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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 05:45:46 PM »
Yes the frame is bare. I recently installed the swing arm,which was out the first time I installed the motor. Now I'm just ha in trouble getting stuff to line up and stay lined up.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 06:49:44 PM »
Motor on the floor is legit.  Entry is simple from the right hand (points) side of the machine.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 07:30:27 PM »
I just lift them in from the right hand side,i have the sump and oil filter off,starter motor off,alternator off and the breather cover off,start by getting one rear bolt in.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 10:24:46 PM »
I will try getting a rear bolt through first. My first thought was to get the front two hangers attached first, but I was finding that task challenging due to the frame moving around so much with the motor and frame on their sides. There's always tomorrow.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 01:38:59 AM »
Block up the motor on its side with blocks of wood and pad between it and your blocks with a heavy blanket or cloth and foam pads. Taping the frame rails with masking tape to lessen the risk of chipping your paint as you install is a good idea.
Once it is blocked up to be in the right orientation you can more easily fit the frame. A ratcheting strap from the ceiling and hook into a floor joist can work pretty nicely as well.

Just think through it and approach it logically and it will come together.  Just don't get frustrated and start throwing things or damage something from your frustration.  A buddy or even a female can assist making the job much easier.  Heck some women do anything we do and yes, sometimes they are more creative in thinking about how to do something easier.

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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 01:02:56 AM »
A FEMALE?man RAF!anytime ive asked my wife to hold something its always been a tantrum!let alone ask her to help me with the bike!
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 11:47:28 AM »
Well motor is in. Used the advice of blocking the motor and fastening the rear first. Worked great, scratched the #$%* outta the frame, but that's a cosmetic fix that I can deal with later. Really happy that I'm this far. Let me pose this question though, what should be next? Wheels on, electrical, what would be the next stwp here?
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 12:13:24 PM »
Quote from: GardenGnome on November 05, 2017, 11:47:28 AM

what would be the next stwp here?

Touch up the frame paint!
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 12:20:37 PM »
Front end. Then rear. Then hang the wiring harness.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 12:27:08 PM »
If possible use a C-hook.
Somewhere on the forum there are good pics how to use the C-hook.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 12:51:11 PM »
A hook in the ceiling, a chain hoist, a C-hook and two hands!
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 12:54:54 PM »
One version of C-hook
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 01:27:55 PM »
Quote from: calj737 on November 05, 2017, 12:20:37 PM
Front end. Then rear. Then hang the wiring harness.

Calj737 you'll love this I'm sure, but I'm going to be using the M-Unit to do my wiring. But good to know about front end and rear first.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 01:29:56 PM »
Quote from: Stev-o on November 05, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: GardenGnome on November 05, 2017, 11:47:28 AM

what would be the next stwp here?

Touch up the frame paint!

I thought about this, but it's probably too cold for doing any kind of touch up paint right now, I thought I'd wait until warmer weather or until I get a heater for the garage. But yes, I would like to get after it as soon as I can  :)
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 01:30:59 PM »
Quote from: jukku on November 05, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
One version of C-hook

I'll have to try this for my 750 build. Thanks jukku!
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 04:29:56 PM »
Quote from: GardenGnome on November 05, 2017, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: jukku on November 05, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
One version of C-hook
I'll have to try this for my 750 build. Thanks jukku!
Just install a frame kit and be done with it (on the 750). Makes everything easier...
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 05:32:19 PM »
Calj737 what is this frame kit? Is it a mod for the frame to make the removal and reinstall easier for the motor?
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 05:58:46 PM »
For 750 frames, yes. It cuts sections out of the two parallel tubesand replaces them with a removable set of tubes that either bolt into welded or non-welded receivers. Makes removal, installation and servicing of the motor much easier and service while in the frame possible.
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 06:11:13 PM »
Well that sounds pretty dang cool. I want to find out where to buy one, but I need tho focus on one project at a time haha.
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2017, 06:17:41 AM »
Quote from: calj737 on November 05, 2017, 05:58:46 PM
For 750 frames, yes. It cuts sections out of the two parallel tubesand replaces them with a removable set of tubes that either bolt into welded or non-welded receivers. Makes removal, installation and servicing of the motor much easier and service while in the frame possible.

Cal - I have not seen Gordons [welding required] frame kit for sale recently
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2017, 06:29:52 AM »
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Re: Fastening motor ('77 CB550F)
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2017, 07:26:12 PM »
Has anyone tried the frame kit from RRR Tool Solutions? I watched a video on their 750 frame kit and it seems like a useful product.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2017, 04:41:49 AM »
It or Frank’s (doesn’t require welding) at the two best options and are equally popular and well-reviewed by many members.

As I said, if you can weld, go with Gordon’s, if not, get Franks. They function identically and cost similar.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2017, 06:37:34 AM »
Quote from: calj737 on November 07, 2017, 04:41:49 AM


... if not, get Franks.

Have not seen Frank's for sale lately.  Testing your Google skills Cal!
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2017, 06:41:16 AM »
Given that he’s a few months out, he’s got time to acquire either. My google is strong, Stevie  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2017, 06:51:51 AM »
Quote from: calj737 on November 07, 2017, 06:41:16 AM
My google is strong, Stevie  ;D

Oh, I know it is!  But since Frank moved, he's been out of machining mode. I'd like one of his on the shelf for a future project.
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