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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 10:50:36 AM »
Oh come on guise, talkin like you ain’t a bunch of ton up boys already.

Having an fjr1300 took all the excitement out of doin the ton.
Fairing, windshiled, modern tires and suspension.  Crack the whip in 4th gear from 75 and it just takes you there.  Still has rpm and a gear to go.

Now the cb550. 
That bike will remind you that there is a living thing underneath you. 
Trying to leverage all its might against the weight of the world. 
Desperate to dig its claws into the pavement.
A snarl between shifts and a howl as redline appears.
Rider and machine embrace.
A blade cutting through the sky.
85 - shift - 5th gear time to fly.
Elbows down, knees in, throttle wide open, eye on the horizon.
90, 95, 96, 97, will it get there?
A bump in the road, a shake in the bars.
Stay calm, keep focused, hold the throttle open.
98, 99, 100 they’ve done it!

Now back to the cafe to see if the song is still playing.

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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2017, 11:06:01 AM »
100 mph + get a 1000 cc sport bike ...been there done that......these vintage bikes are not made safe for that speed ....tires/spoke wheels agh
My bike was ridden 100 mph and more very often back in the days. Touring thru Germany, Italy or France was equal to 100mph and more most of the time.  It happened that I had to keep 180-190 kph during a long period, the fuel vanished really quick!

I remember when the speedo showed 210kph with cases, fully loaded with 2 persons and luggage a little bit downhill and a looong nice curve from Austria to Italy, alps around, not letting a Jaguar XJS to pass me. The frame had some flex then  when leaning and I started to think about the nuts holding front axle, did I really tighten them enough at last repair? ;D

Photo below on one of those trips 1985. The alps behind in northern Italy close to Austrian border. As I wrote earlier, steering damper helps. I noticed that 4-1 give better handling, easier front wobble when switching from 4-1 to 4-4 that new tires solved.

The bike has much tougher acceleration now, cruising in 100 kph on 5:th gear, just twist the throttle and suddenly I'll get a corner thrown in my face, 180-190 kph is reached really quick. I have dual front brakes that almost match Mikes Billet block and 10005cc which made a huge difference torque wise compared with 836. 2 old friends were surprised last summer since they have to twist a lot to keep up with my CB750 K6 on curvy country roads when I accelerated from 70 up to 180-190 kph (110-120 mph)
Aprilia Tuono 4 cyl model 2017 which is a lot faster and Honda CBR1100XX Super blackbird -1996 with 133 rwhp left but no fairing making speeds over 210-220kph very unpleasant for my friend.

Std rear tire dim positive too. Changed from 120/90-18 to 4.0-18.

Bike (avatar)  will get a Hindle 4-2-1 mounted this winter so I'll visit the other side of 200 kph more frequent next season!  ;)

I'll might test the megacycle 125-75 125-20 cam again. Now with correctly jetted carbs. That cam did not respect the red line at all with 836, quickly to the other green area around 10.000 rpm.

So, a Honda CB750 can handle speeds around the 200 kph (125mph) limit ;)
Very important to keep the eyes open on all other people on the roads and be prepared for cars crossing the road and not seeing you. Avoid accidents by riding, not braking which is not the best part of the CB750 ::)

Shocks back in the 80's was Marzoochi AG Strada, needle bearings in swing arm, tapered roller bearings front. Same now except for IKON shocks, progressive springs in fork and better steering damper bracket on frame. This match the +30 kg extra I have got ::)
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2017, 11:21:17 AM »

Now the cb550. 
That bike will remind you that there is a living thing underneath you. 
Trying to leverage all its might against the weight of the world. 
Desperate to dig its claws into the pavement.
A snarl between shifts and a howl as redline appears.
Rider and machine embrace.
A blade cutting through the sky.
85 - shift - 5th gear time to fly.
Elbows down, knees in, throttle wide open, eye on the horizon.
90, 95, 96, 97, will it get there?
A bump in the road, a shake in the bars.
Stay calm, keep focused, hold the throttle open.
98, 99, 100 they’ve done it!

Now back to the cafe to see if the song is still playing.

LOL cowman, this almost has lyrical quality!

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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM »
I didn’t assume anything at all...old buddy....it was in the police report as reported in the news.....old buddy....
If you reread my post, I said “ they”....not “I”....
I’m not the one making an assumption......old buddy....🙄
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2017, 12:04:16 PM »
There's nothing inherently unsafe about 100 MPH. Keep in mind speed limits in the USA are arbitrarily set low and not based on safety, road design, visibility, etc. In most states speed limits are significantly lower than they were 50-60 years ago, think of the vehicle and suspension design at that point in time. Heck, think of the tires.
I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. I speak from professional experience in road design to know this. Roads are designed for their travel speed based upon volume of projected traffic.

Then you should be very aware and knowledgeable regarding the 85th percentile speed, as well as how most roads are posted well below this most likely for surprise road tax collection purposes.

Its whether traffic on that road can tolerate a vehicle traveling at 150% of their speed. This is incredibly dangerous to all on the road.

Lane discipline, signaling intentions, checking blind spots... These are real things that affect safety. You harp on speed, which is fairly irrelevant and in fact many or even most speed limits are posted well below the 85th percentile, arguably the safest speed limit. Some more reading here: http://www.sehinc.com/news/truth-about-speed-limits-explained-engineer

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I guess I'll try to avoid Virginia, wouldn't want you to get angry and murder me if I happen to be traveling faster than the posted limit, at the 85th percentile speed which is statistically the safest.
Murder you? No. Not a chance. Defend myself from some wreckless moron? Count on it. If forced between the choice of crashing my vehicle into someone/something because of the wreckless behavior of another, or smashing into that person and causing their death, it’s a clear choice. You’re going into the dirt. And I won’t have a second thought about it even if you are on a motorcycle. 2 wheels doesn’t get you any special privileges, only greater responsibility to avoid becoming a tar patch
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2017, 12:14:12 PM »
I did what my speedo said was 130mph on my buell once.... ONCE. The reason? I wanted to see if the death wobble would go away after it started at 80. Results: it doesn’t.

My 550 on the other hand, even on the turnpike, isn’t comfortable over 80. It’ll do it, but it just feels like you’re on the edge of the limitations of the bike. If that makes sense.


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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2017, 12:18:46 PM »
When I see asshats on (any) bikes that bounce the rev limit or weave or anything of that nature, I hope they #$%* up so I can pull over, point, and laugh at them. There’s a time and a place. Crowded streets aren’t that.


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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2017, 12:28:01 PM »
100 mph is relatively easy on a CB, round here if your not doing 80 mph your getting run over on the highway.  Before I put the fairing on I would regularly run at or close to "the ton", now the fairing doesn't like speeds above 95 mph.  If you have a decent road near you give it a shoot you should be able to hit it with no problems......
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2017, 12:30:59 PM »
If any of you take someone else’s (or my own 🙄) reckless speeds personally, that’s your own problem.  Get some therapy if it frightens you so much.
No one gets on their bike and hits the highway with the intent of just ruining someone else’s day.  That’s not why we ride. 
The people that think it’s within their right to judge a motorcyclists’ speed and ability from the safety of their 4wheeled cage are the most dangerous lunatics on the road.
I’ve personally confronted one myself.  Who had the nerve to lecture me on “respect” after threatening to run me over when stopped at an intersection.  #$%*ing hypocrite.
The state of texas sentenced one of those fools to fifteen years.  The man’s famous quote “I don’t care” - he plowed a bike, rider, and passenger off the road entirely.  For what?  Passing on a straight double yellow two lane.

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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2017, 12:44:21 PM »
On proper roads, you’re right. On public roads, it’s often 170% of the speed limit and a danger to everyone else around you. Who among us deserves the right to endanger others so wantonly? Want to risk your life, fine by me. Risk mine, and I’ll put you in the ditch personally as a Public Service.

Many times I don't, but this time, I have to side with calj737. You have to look really hard to find any road in my neck of the woods in NE Ohio where doing 100 mph would be safe, even without ANY traffic around. Off-camber turns, potholes, terrible surface etc, etc.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2017, 12:57:40 PM »
I see riders all the time doing what seems to be in defiance of common sense. I recently witnessed some guy on his RR doing over twice the traffic flow (25mph) splitting lanes. He got his moments later as a car merging left evidently “pulled into his 50mph lane” you know, that roughly 48” space between two lanes. He “got his” for his unsafe riding and assuming too much, but no one was laughing and I don’t think you would either, asshat or not...honestly. I’m not a professional track rider, and if caught at higher speeds in some unforeseen circumstance that exceeds my skill...just for fun, I might be a dead man...and I certainly don’t want to be looking backwards saying “Bye-bye” in a flash to everyone. Sure anything can happen anytime I get that, but I’m not asking for it by toying with elements I’m not experienced nor trained to handle. As has been said, “ overconfidence” can be an invitation for the unexpected.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2017, 01:01:52 PM »
id you not do the ton..bay a moped...you need to try it..its part of the riding fun

  ..but the bike need to be 110% ok..tires airpressure brakesystem..and any vobbel tendens must be absolut not happend.

..on a modern bike  you can do it as often as you like..on a Classic bike ..it need a good road..and some time..to pump up.(cb 550).and dont forget..the braking need also a lot more Space on old bikes...so think ahead on the road...
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2017, 01:46:39 PM »
On public roads, it’s often 170% of the speed limit and a danger to everyone else around you. Who among us deserves the right to endanger others so wantonly? Want to risk your life, fine by me. Risk mine, and I’ll put you in the ditch personally as a Public Service.

Defend myself from some wreckless moron? Count on it. If forced between the choice of crashing my vehicle into someone/something because of the wreckless behavior of another, or smashing into that person and causing their death, it’s a clear choice. You’re going into the dirt. And I won’t have a second thought about it even if you are on a motorcycle. 2 wheels doesn’t get you any special privileges, only greater responsibility to avoid becoming a tar patch

Nobody has mentioned risking your life, or anyone else's except the individual choosing to go for a ride. Note that OP does not live in backwards VA where speed limits are 55 MPH. I'm guessing you haven't been too far west of the Mississippi where there are wide open divided highways that stretch for a very long way between cities or much of anything at all. Regardless, speed limits in OP's area are 65-70 MPH, 85th percentile speeds (safer than the speed limit!) are slightly higher. As far as my understanding the discussion is about riding at what is likely only marginally over the 85th percentile speed for a given highway, wide open spaces with no traffic, clear visibility, etc. I think most here would agree that's a reasonable assumption. I don't think you even flipped your lid like this, much less started threatening lives when Wildey posted that video doing 100 MPH through a NYC school zone in second gear on his 350f.

It sounds like calj is the rolling roadblock doing the underposted speed limit in the passing lane while everyone else is traveling near the 85th percentile speed, but he then speeds up to match pace with an 18 wheeler or other big truck undertaking him because he won't maintain lane discipline and others are trying to get around him too... The type to selectively violate the law in an attempt at vigilante justice to stick it to people who are maintaining proper lane discipline and spacing while simply trying to get where they're going safely an efficiently.

Calj, if that's you, you are the hazard on the road. Maybe some introspection is appropriate. Or perhaps you can continue the hilarity by sharing whatever wild scenario you've envisioned with all this talk of quick blasts to 100 MPH and back on deserted highways, or simply cruising along at the 85th percentile while maintaining proper lane discipline. I feel like you're having a totally different conversation than the rest of us.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2017, 01:53:34 PM »
Maybe it's different here in the South where many of the roads/highways are straight, flat, and in pretty good condition, but I've past 100mph on my CB550 many times (stock tire size). The bike does it easily (I'm not a heavy guy) and isn't scary at that speed, the wind is just a PITA. Frankly, it doesn't feel much different than cruising at 80mph if you're on a empty and wide highway.

I'd say if your bike is sound and your abilities are up to it, have a try at it. You can always let off the throttle if you start to feel uncomfortable. Also probably a good idea to ride up and back down the stretch of road you're going to use to make sure you don't find a pothole, debris, or oil slick by surprise.

Doing 100mph on a straight road with no cars in front of you on a CB750 should be cake. From highway speeds it should only take you 20 or so seconds anyway before you've hit your mark and you can slow back down.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2017, 02:45:34 PM »
I use to enjoy turning up the speed much more a few years ago than now;the faster I go now,the more I miss all the sights of the journey along the way.. I get 'jet lag' easier than I use to. I still pass a car or two when i need to but I hate to feel i need to keep-up with 'the rat race' as I'm sure I'll miss something important along the road on one of my long trips.
I may never pass that way again and I like to back-off and 'tour' a bit.  :)

I still think it's fun to 'wick it up' once in a while if I'm on an Interstate  ::) ,but I keep my eyes,ears and 'radar field' mental concentration fine-tuned when I do and like what Larry/'MoMo' says in his signature: "Ride like you're invisible",except to the cops..
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2017, 03:32:22 PM »
I didn’t assume anything at all...old buddy....it was in the police report as reported in the news.....old buddy....
If you reread my post, I said “ they”....not “I”....
I’m not the one making an assumption......old buddy....🙄
You can roll you’re eyes at someone else......ok.?
I wasn’t rolling my eyes at you, Buddy. I was rolling at their assumption. Don’t get your skirt in a twist, Buddy.
Now you can add liar to your repertoire.....
Please pull your head out of your arse. I clarified at whom I was rolling my eyes because I carefully read what you wrote. Don’t presume to know what is within my mind. I clearly express my thoughts and direct them acutely.
Pretty clear what you meant, pull your own head ..
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2017, 03:32:55 PM »
Take the track day advise it is the smart move. I have lost 2 very good friends who rode all their lives to stupid accidents. No matter how much you think you know you can get bitten. Don't take stupid chances on public roads.
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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2017, 04:21:06 PM »
 
The people that think it’s within their right to judge a motorcyclists’ speed and ability from the safety of their 4wheeled cage are the most dangerous lunatics on the road.
I’ve personally confronted one myself.  Who had the nerve to lecture me on “respect” after threatening to run me over when stopped at an intersection.  #$%*ing hypocrite.
The state of texas sentenced one of those fools to fifteen years.  The man’s famous quote “I don’t care” - he plowed a bike, rider, and passenger off the road entirely.  For what?  Passing on a straight double yellow two lane.

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While I've seen many riders ride in a way that they were asking for trouble, I'm not going to stoop to being a vigilante to personally give them that trouble myself nor would I ignore someone in need even if it was a result of their reckless riding. I remember that nut job vigilante in Texas and always wondered what became of him.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2017, 04:27:57 PM »
Far from it, Dunk. I’ve put 600,00 miles on bikes and well over 2,000,000 miles on recent card. Never had or caused an accident. Ever. I drive at or above the speed limit, seldom in the left lane unless passing, and have a crystal driving record. Why? Because I abide the laws and drive with care. For my benefit and the benefit of others on the road.

I let semis and larger, slower vehicles in to pass and give them a wide berth because they’re less maneuverable. It is the professional and courteous approach that has shaped my strong opinion that jerk offs who fly, weave, and pass without regard for others are endangering people’s lived with little to no regard. You think VA is backwards because some of us share a public road and don’t behave as though it’s our own test track? Now who’s got their head on backwards?

As for having traveled beyond the Mississippi... I’ve ridden my bike from DC to Guatemala 3 times, circuited this country and parts of Canada 5 others. And done it also in card and trucks. Stop presuming to lecture me about where and what roads exist out there in an effort to substantiate your dopey opinion. I know where Evinrude lives, hell I was born not far from there. But public roads is not a place to speed test.

Do it if you want it’s your life. But that behavior is exactly why some folks resent bikers.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2017, 04:39:56 PM »
I don't think you even flipped your lid like this, much less started threatening lives when Wildey posted that video doing 100 MPH through a NYC school zone in second gear on his 350f
Yet again, you’re wrong, Dunk. Unbeknownst to you, I had numerous calls and texts with JWilde, receiving several from him while he was broken down or stranded in the middle of the night roadside with no clue how to solve his issues. I also had many lengthy calls with him about gear, riding behavior, safety habits and such. I reviewed many videos he sent me of his riding to help educate him about his skills and tactics and techniques. I may not have blasted him publicly in that thread (I honestly don’t recall) but I know for a fact I did speak out publicly against his riding on public roads at those speeds and privately tore him a new ass (for safety and public safety reasons).

Do as you wish (as I’ve said repeatedly). But if someone seeks input on being stupid, I’ll do my best to disused them for their benefit and the benefit of others. It’s how I roll.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
Well Cal, if you ever feel like cuttin loose on two wheels.  You’re welcome to come ride around my farmland roads.  Ain’t no one around to hurt or offend.  The farmers cows won’t tell anyone of our misdeeds  ;D

I’ll even abide the national speed limit  8)

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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2017, 06:57:32 PM »
id you not do the ton..bay a moped...you need to try it..its part of the riding fun

Brilliant.
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2017, 07:15:17 PM »
To the op...if 100mph seems like an achievement...that is all the evidence you should need that you and/or your bike are not ready for it.  Guys have suggested a track day...a trip to your local drag strip test and tune requires far less initial investment and hassle...no need to worry about the next curve, several other riders, or all the myriad hazards of public roads.  (It takes a very well tuned 750 to hit 100 in the 1/4 though, but you will have several chances to get used to hard acceleration to 85 or 90 and then plenty of safe room to slowdown)
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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2017, 07:20:29 PM »
When I was younger, I wore all the metal balls off the ends of my footpegs, I would practice until I scraped on all my favorite corners. Now, at almost 65, I can sense my mortality...There was something wrong with me back then. At 23 My license was revoked (excess of 100 in a 40, among others) in a GTO. Probably saved my life, if not somebody elses. I ride my 750 K2 fairly conservatively now...too much time and money tied up in it! A bit smarter too!

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Re: breaking 100 mph
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2017, 07:52:52 PM »
Sean has made the best point so far.
Keith said it too.
Practice practice practice.