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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2017, 08:56:38 AM »
Here's the frame and some inspiration pics I'm using






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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2017, 11:39:29 AM »
first reaction to that was horror tbh..."he'll be ruining 2 of my favorite bikes in 1 swoop!"...then I thought about how hard it's gonna be to pull that into something that is worth riding and the fact that the particular bikes in question are already trashed...and a 7r making ring ding sounds and puffing smoke out of 3 stingers? DO IT!

how about water cooled cylinder head for extra endurance racing goodness?...no idea if such parts ever existed
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2017, 01:47:26 PM »
first reaction to that was horror tbh..."he'll be ruining 2 of my favorite bikes in 1 swoop!"...then I thought about how hard it's gonna be to pull that into something that is worth riding and the fact that the particular bikes in question are already trashed...and a 7r making ring ding sounds and puffing smoke out of 3 stingers? DO IT!

how about water cooled cylinder head for extra endurance racing goodness?...no idea if such parts ever existed

Glad to hear you're seeing my vision and the fun it can be.  I wouldn't do this to good condition bikes.  I like em roough so I don't feel bad. 

There are a couple guys that have adapted snowmobile cyclinders on the bottom end so it's liquid cooled.  I'm planning to use the hoover hoses to cool the motor and a small spal fan to exit the heat


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2017, 03:00:51 PM »

how about water cooled cylinder head for extra endurance racing goodness?...no idea if such parts ever existed

Some H1R and H2R works racers had water cooled heads
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2017, 03:14:08 PM »

how about water cooled cylinder head for extra endurance racing goodness?...no idea if such parts ever existed

Some H1R and H2R works racers had water cooled heads

There is an H2R motor for sale on the Triples forum, the seller wont price it though.  Someone said it is worth three times a reg H2 motor is and I havent seen one for less that $2K [I need one]
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2017, 06:26:43 AM »

how about water cooled cylinder head for extra endurance racing goodness?...no idea if such parts ever existed

Some H1R and H2R works racers had water cooled heads
I would love one of those setups but they are like hens teeth. 

Frame showed up and the cradle and gas tank should be here soon.


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2017, 06:28:43 AM »
What finish are you thinkin for the frame?
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2017, 07:09:35 AM »
What finish are you thinkin for the frame?
Plan is polish the frame and swingarm.  Fairing I’m thinking gloss black with green metal flake and some white between the colors


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2017, 09:27:19 AM »
Damn, now I wish I could time travel forward a few months because I really want to see this monster all together.
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2017, 08:41:27 PM »
Damn, now I wish I could time travel forward a few months because I really want to see this monster all together.
Haha you and me both! 


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2017, 08:42:42 PM »
Parts showed up.  A couple motor mounts are slightly in the way, once they are gone, she will sit right in there. 


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2017, 08:16:58 PM »
Trimmed one rear motor mount off the zx7 frame the motor is not centered up and looks at home. 


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2017, 09:01:27 PM »
What the hell is taking so long?    ;D

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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2018, 05:54:47 AM »
What the hell is taking so long?    ;D
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2018, 08:12:03 PM »
Swingarm and rear wheel showed up.  Working on tracking down a ohlins rear shock.


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2018, 08:40:35 PM »
I personally never got the chance to meet Ron.  I had heard stories both ways.  Many were that the guy would yell at you if you touched anything and would want $100 for a bolt laying in the dirt.  I knew a couple guys that had some luck with him.  But you had to approach him a certain way and much of the stuff he was attached to and didn't even want to sell it.  Yeah I don't know why the news all said he lost all of it, because there was alot there when i went.  There was about 1200 bicycles, and over 1000 motorcycles and a bunch of random stuff such as gold carts, 3 wheelers, snowmobiles, go carts and cars.  There was a z1, a sandcast, some british bikes, a ton of 2 stroke triple suzukis, quite a few rd's, 2 h1's, 1 h2, some s model triples and a whole bunch of other bikes.

The part that i can't figure out, after moving your stuff from washington and losing a bunch of it in the fire, why wouldn't you move it when you're given two years to clean up that lot.  He literally lost all of it.

Dunno how I missed this but I'm gonna follow now. And... I can add a little to the story.

I went to that yard in Rye when I first moved to AZ in '97. I bought a 350F in Phoenix for $500, but it had rusted out exhaust. I had seen the yard in Rye, so went  there with a friend and bought a stock 400F exhaust that was in nice shape for $100. He had a stock 4-4 350F exhaust in decent shape that he would have sold me for the same price, and yes, I kick myself to this day that I didn't get both (I only needed one at the time...). I discovered Bob's just after (and have since, over the years, pulled all the worthwhile 350F and 400F parts, or at least most) as well as a guy named Stan who has a yard full of old Japanese bikes as well as an old Indian racer and a few others. I digress.

I went back to Rye maybe a year later, and things had changed. They followed you around the yard. If you went with more than one person, you couldn't split up and go to different places in the yard. You couldn't touch anything. They wanted ridiculous prices for junk. I went with a guy interested in some of the old Schwinns and other bikes, and he wanted ridiculous money for them too. And he was an a$$hole about it. Went back once or twice just to go for rides from Phoenix with friends knowing what we would encounter when we got there, but just to ride and have a laugh.

When the yard went up in smoke, we all talked about it (and there was no way there were 9000 bikes -- including bicycles -- in there, we all figured it was an attempt at an insurance scam). Most people believed that the place had become a meth operation, and that's what caused the fire. The way the guy, his wife, and her sister behaved and looked, that's entirely plausible. The stuff that went up in smoke, however, was the stuff in the warehouse, which was most of the good and valuable stuff -- Harleys, quite a few old Brit bikes, boxes of rare parts, all of the valuable bicycles, etc. He had an amphibicar that got burned but mostly survived, and a few other old cars that didn't survive.

If you went up to Rye after Rod and the guys at Bob's bought him out, you were probably on their list of friends or in the right place at the right time. I had just moved back to Phoenix from two years on the east coast, and they called me to see if I wanted anything before they moved it down to Phoenix. From Rye I got a 350F, CL175 sloper that was burned to a crisp but looked cool, 750A exhaust in real nice shape, and a CB77. Once they got their stuff down to Phoenix, I bought a couple more bikes off of them, including a '71 CL450 and a weird Yamaha scooter thing that had a killer tank and seat for a café, as well as some random stuff, exhausts, etc. The bikes that came from Rye, Bob's only wants to sell whole, although that will likely change over time. I know they sold a #$%* ton of bikes to the local Phoenix bicycle guys, and sold a ton of bikes to people from Japan -- a few containers worth.

I have no idea whatever happened to the Rye guy, but I was going back and forth to Albuquerque from February to April 2016, so I saw the bikes disappear over time (Mondays, when Bob's was closed, they'd bring trucks and trailers up there, and then eventually paid someone to bring the rest). As for Bob's, those guys are the best. I hear some people moan about them or their prices or policies, but I've been going there for 20 years now and they've always treated me right. They give me t-shirts and hats -- and if I make the mistake of wearing one when I go to the yard to look for something, people coming in for parts inevitably ask me for stuff as though I work there.

Again, psyched to follow this to see where another one of the Bob's-via-Rye bikes shows up. The only thing I have left now is the CB77 and it's on the backburner in Phoenix at a friend's since I live in CDMX now.

 
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2018, 07:47:38 AM »
love your story.  When i was in az, i heard so many stories about Ron and they were never good at that point.  I always wondered when i drove by that place, how you could sit on all of that and not sell it or really do anything with it. 

I loved going to Bob's, those guys were always super helpful and digging through their lot was always a blast.  I found a cb400f they had sitting with a kerker exhaust.  They had placed a craigslist ad when they starting getting loads from Rye to haul down and i stopped by and got first on the list for that h2.  I bugged them enough, they let me just drive up to rye to get it and a 75 h1 while they were hauling bikes out of there.  It was amazing going through everything.

I am kicking myself for not going after some of the gt750's they had.  I got along really well with Rod and just happened to stop in at the right time to start getting some of the bikes from rye.  Got lucky too, there was a guy up at Rye when i was pulling the h2, that was trying to buy it out from under me with Rod, but Rod stuck to his word.  Bob's was the best and their prices were very reasonable. 

They were cool about me just looking through everything and pulling my own parts or if i didn't have the tool, one of their guys would help me out quick.  When i was talking to Rod when we were loading the h2, it sounded like the guy that ran Rye, got evicted and still lived somewhere in the area.  I still can't imagine never selling any of his "collection" and then just looses it all since it rented that land and was evicted.
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2018, 08:05:50 AM »
The one time I stopped by there was in 96-97 ish.  I was riding an old ironhead sporty.  I had another one on the block that needed some parts, they was pretty decent to me as he could see that I kicked a bike over in order to ride.  His prices were a bit high, but I didn't have a problem with that as I could usually find what I needed.  It was a shame it went all to hell.  Clearly, it was one of the best bike yards in the country.  The climate was perfect for it.


Oh...I want to mention that this project is going to be an epic mash up of great engineering.
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2018, 08:56:18 AM »
The one time I stopped by there was in 96-97 ish.  I was riding an old ironhead sporty.  I had another one on the block that needed some parts, they was pretty decent to me as he could see that I kicked a bike over in order to ride.  His prices were a bit high, but I didn't have a problem with that as I could usually find what I needed.  It was a shame it went all to hell.  Clearly, it was one of the best bike yards in the country.  The climate was perfect for it.


Oh...I want to mention that this project is going to be an epic mash up of great engineering.

It's crazy what they guy had up at that lot.  Sorry that alot were burned up in that fire.  I'm just glad i got to go up and see some of what was left while bob was hauling them out.  Amazing!

And thank you for the compliment, that means alot coming from you!
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2018, 06:30:13 AM »
So decided to have some fun while it's stuck on the lift.  Had a rc51 tail from a past low side and one of my h1 chambers


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 09:05:24 AM »
Going to disassemble the motor internals soon.  I'm dropping the chassis and cases off to framecrafters next month for the proper cradle to be built for mounting the motor.  While that's happening, i'm going to start on the crank rebuild, undercutting the trans and hunting for suspension. 

Once the chassis is back, i'm planning to do bodywork from a 91-92 zx7 including the tank.  I have a tank and it actually doesn't look bad sitting on the frame. 
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2018, 09:10:02 AM »
Sounds like a plan....



PS.  Rode my H2 last week...what a blast!


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2018, 04:32:23 AM »
Sounds like a plan....



PS.  Rode my H2 last week...what a blast!




Such a gorgeous h2 Steve-o!  As if I needed more to do I’m finally getting going on my basket case 73 h1.  Just dropped everything off for powder coat and about to send the motor to nils and crank for a rebuild. 


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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2018, 06:49:30 AM »
Sounds like a plan....



PS.  Rode my H2 last week...what a blast!




Such a gorgeous h2 Steve-o!  As if I needed more to do I’m finally getting going on my basket case 73 h1.  Just dropped everything off for powder coat and about to send the motor to nils and crank for a rebuild. 

Thanks.  I have a basket case H1 as well, but not quite ready to tackle it.  Nils will rebuild the crank?
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Re: 1974 kawasaki h2 fairinged widow maker build
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2018, 09:10:59 AM »


Thanks.  I have a basket case H1 as well, but not quite ready to tackle it.  Nils will rebuild the crank?
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Sorry I didn't word that very well.  I'll probably send the crank to dave's triples.  Nils will do the vapor blasting for it
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