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« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2007, 11:56:16 AM »
Here's an American with some sensible comment on Saddam:

By Gary Brecher ( war_nerd@exile.ru )

FRESNO -- A lot of office boys like to talk about "old school." I'll tell you who was old school: Saddam Hussein. Saddam died beautiful. It's the truth and you know it. Fact is, the longer we stay in Iraq the better Saddam looks. He never had a tenth of our money or weaponry but he did what we can't: kept that bag of snakes in order.

And what a way to go! Damn, did you see that cellphone video of his death? A bunch of Shia monkeys in ski masks woofing at him -- safe behind their masks, with Saddam handcuffed and under guard -- woofing like cockapoos at a pit bull heading for the Pound's death cell. And Saddam laughed at them, especially when they chanted the name of their pissant Imam, Moqtada al-Sadr. You can hear him on that jerky cellphone video sneering, "Moqtada?" And Saddam earned the right to laugh; he killed Sadr Sr. and kept Junior so terrified he didn't dare show his fat face until Saddam was gone and only the wimp occupiers were in charge.

Saddam told the ski-mask monkeys they weren't real men. And he had the right to say that too. Call him what you want, but Saddam was a man, a real man. One of the last. To me, watching that execution was like watching Planet of the Apes: a bunch of de-evolved primates killing the last man. Saddam looked like the 20th century in that overcoat and hat. He'd lost weight in prison. Never flinched, not once. You try that: going to the gallows with your blood enemies screaming insults at you. See if you can hold your bladder, never mind answer back as fast and calm as he did.

The 20th was a good century, bloody and unbowed, as the man said. We're going to miss it when it's gone. It's hanging on in places here and there at the edge of the office world, but we're doing our best to finish it off, and that hanging was a big step in that wrong direction.

Sure, Saddam was a killer. Don't you get it by now? In a place like Iraq, killing is how you run things. Sure, Saddam boosted his clan, his people; you think Sadr's goons are going to be any less vicious about boosting their tribe? They're not off to a very good start, promoting interfaith cooperation by torturing Sunnis to death and stacking their stinking corpses in old trucks dropped off at the nearest bus stop.

Blaming Saddam for being what he was is like blaming a rattlesnake for killing. That's how it lives, and it's what that Crocodile Hunter guy would've called "a bee-YOO-tiful ambush predator." Saddam was right for Iraq the way a Sidewinder is right for the Mojave. The NeoCons scared us by shaking his fangs in our faces, as if Saddam planned to bite every single commuter in LA, when all he wanted to do was stay alive and in power -- because those were the same thing for him -- in the Iraqi desert, where everything stings, sticks or bites. We may as well have gone on a crusade to wipe out all the snakes and spiders in the desert for being what they are. Only difference is, we wouldn't have lost 3000 soldiers that way.

Until we hooked him out of his burrow, the only thing Saddam had really done to America has hand us our most glorious victory since Inchon, in Gulf War I. He was like a lot of Third-World rulers: great at internal security but hopeless at conventional war. Like a rattler, he was totally harmless to anybody with the brains God gave a stray dog.

Meaning, anybody but Bush and Cheney. Those dudes remind me of this Darwin-Award winner who went to the hereafter on Lake Berryessa. He was fishing, noticed a rattler swimming beside his boat, grabbed it -- and when his fishing buddy told him to throw it away, this genius said, "Oh, no, it's harmless -- look!" and held it up to his face to show how harmless it was. The snake did us all a favor and took his genes out of the pool by biting him right on the nose, and he died before his buddy could power back to shore.

That was Saddam's last favor to us: showing us -- the hard way, no denying that -- how flat-out stupid our bigwigs really are. Bush is standing up at the podium every press conference with that rattler dangling from his nose like a mega-booger, yelping, "I'm fine, I'm fine!" but one of these days, and none too soon, he'll pass out and pass on, thanks to Saddam.

We did Saddam an accidental favor in return by giving him a rare old-school death. Maybe that's not important for some of you moral-types but it would be to my heroes. It would matter to John Paul Jones, it would matter to Alexander, it would matter to Subotai, and it matters to me. I wish I could have a death like that. Instead I'll die the same way you will, tubes coming out of my fat carcass, leaning over to watch the cardio beeper zig when it's supposed to zag, scared out of my head and ashamed to look down at this civilian belly hyperventilating its last chicken#$%* breaths.

Not Saddam. We may not have meant to, but we showed him the ultimate respect. And he deserved it. He's wherever the real men go; where Pancho Villa went, and Patton, and Richthofen. Not heaven, but someplace way, way better.

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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #126 on: January 09, 2007, 12:35:25 PM »
Excellent article Bodi. One thing I'd like to think I could avoid is dying the modern way,
as a friend says, "drooling in the cornflakes". But, I'm afraid I'll go just watching the monitor too.

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« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2007, 12:42:55 PM »
Most of the guys I know in the military would rather shoot it out with the fanatics over there then over here.

Just a thought.

Now that's a load. They ain't coming over here!


They already did.


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« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2007, 01:49:17 PM »
Well... To me it seems if the 'States went into Iraq for moral reasons, "we" would have been in Africa preventing the genocide there first.
I think "we" need to start looking at our own problems harder before addressing other countries' first.
I don't think America's government is good or evil especially, I just think it's greedy and stupid.  Republicans see no end to the war and want to "get it right"- after the fact (and too late, I'm guessing).  Democrats are all about stopping the war, but they don't really have any clue about how to do it.  The troops are eventually going to have to come back leaving a much bigger mess there than when we went in, or... well-   What?!

All this arm-chair quarterbacking... Does anyone actually have any ideas of what to do NOW?  Is there a fix or solution?
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« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2007, 02:57:40 PM »
Well... To me it seems if the 'States went into Iraq for moral reasons, "we" would have been in Africa preventing the genocide there first.
I think "we" need to start looking at our own problems harder before addressing other countries' first.
I don't think America's government is good or evil especially, I just think it's greedy and stupid.  Republicans see no end to the war and want to "get it right"- after the fact (and too late, I'm guessing).  Democrats are all about stopping the war, but they don't really have any clue about how to do it.  The troops are eventually going to have to come back leaving a much bigger mess there than when we went in, or... well-   What?!

All this arm-chair quarterbacking... Does anyone actually have any ideas of what to do NOW?  Is there a fix or solution?

Yeah mate, there was a simple solution up until about a week ago, we could have pulled Saddam and the rest of the Bath party back outta jail, dusted them off, apologised for invading their country in the first place and turning it into a smoking hole for no good reason, then pay them say, 10% of the billions of dollars that the US is throwing at the problem at the moment as say, "War Reparations"?

I've no doubt that he would have the ability to get his old military commanders back on side pretty quick to start the rebuild of Iraq, the US dollars flowing in would get the infrastructure up and running quite quickly, and the "insurgents" would be gone so fast, they'd cease to be a problem inside the first week. Thousands of Coalition troops could go home, Saddam might even be persuaded to leave some "peace-monitors" behind, and no more US blood would need to be spilled in Iraq.

Of course, this was never gonna happen, because GW and Dick-less Cheney wanted him gone before he got a chance to tell the world why the US really invaded Iraq. The one achievement that GW and Dick-less can really call their own, is that Saddam is gone, and with him, any hope of keeping that "bag of snakes" under control, so for the next few years the situation will only get worse, costing the US trillions of dollars, and thousands of young mens lives. Bush not as bad as Hussein? Who you kidding? ;D
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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #130 on: January 09, 2007, 04:07:36 PM »
Most of the guys I know in the military would rather shoot it out with the fanatics over there then over here.

Just a thought.

Now that's a load. They ain't coming over here!


They already did.


We're discussing Iraq Tim.

Note the word Fanatics  ::)



Liked the Article bodi.


Course if the USA go really old school....say assyrian in Iraq....all the snakes would be dead. Course some of the good and benefical snakes would get killed too and the everyone would get worked up wailing and moaning about the poor innocents.
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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2007, 05:15:30 PM »
Belly up to the bar, gents, and welcome to the wonderful world of ethical relativism.  Saddam would be sitting at his usual place at the bar, but a bunch of simpletons think he was bad just because he killed a bunch of his own people.  Were they enlightened like us, they'd understand that a rattlesnake only attacks when it is threatened or hungry.  Saddam grew up with rattlesnakes, and he knew that rattlesnakes -- if hungry enough -- eat their own young, sometimes 250,000 of them at a go including babies.

Even worse, now we're out of drinking buddies! The only one left is George W. Bush.  But Bush ain't such a bad guy after all.  You see, he grew up in a brood of vipers.  The problem with vipers is that they are not very discriminate about whom they consider a threat.  Get too close to a viper, and boom-done (Bob's your uncle) you get a nasty bite or two.  You see, Bush, like a viper, does what he can to stay in office; it's only natural to him, and he's not really to blame for what he was raised to do. 

In truth, we are all to blame.  Who among us can say that they provided enough nurturing and love to the Bushies when they were little.  Instead, we pity that they, like Uncle Saddam, had such a hard road, and we must, if we are honest with ourselves, blame ourselves.  The blood of Bush and Hussein is upon all of us, and justice will not be served until we all kill ourselves.  And old school it shall be: a locked room, a Luger and one cartridge.


We're discussing Iraq Tim.


Forgive my confusion about the title of the thread. ;D  I've said nothing about correctness about the war.
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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #132 on: January 09, 2007, 06:01:19 PM »
Here's an American with some sensible comment on Saddam:

By Gary Brecher ( war_nerd@exile.ru )

As I watched the cell fone vid, the thought that immediately came to me was that Hussein went out like a man.  I have to give him that.  His 'guards' looked like a bunch of punks ready to hold up a liquor store.  It was nothing but a lynching, pure and simple.  I have no doubt he had it (or something worse) coming, but it was a disgrace.
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« Reply #133 on: January 09, 2007, 06:07:08 PM »
I also think the whole affair of his hanging does not bode well for our political influence in Iraq. If we had any, it would have turned out differently and would have been postponed one day to avoid a religiously sensitive holiday over there.
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« Reply #134 on: January 09, 2007, 08:32:22 PM »
Mr Shave, I disagree.  The Bush family has had LOTS of love.  B Sr, Jr got elected by the well informed citizenry as gov and pres TWICE, plus the success of bro.  I am proud to say I did not vote for any of them.  To br frank, I am more than embarrassed for the stupidity of the United States.
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« Reply #135 on: January 09, 2007, 10:17:40 PM »
threadhave watched this thred from it's start and I have to say Saddam got better than he deserved,he should have been tossed in to a wood chiper  like a lot of his victims.
To comper a American president to the like's of Saddam or Hitler is mind boggling ,I dont care if it is Bush ,Clinton or FDR .
And to all those that say thy are emberesed to be American, kiss my red white & blue ass.
So the next time the world has a problem call someone Else ,I am sure the U.N. will come to your rescue.
My Family has bleed and died to keep those in other parts of the world from the oppreson of the likes of Hitler and many other evil rulers ,and those that think it is a joke about fighting over there than over here are just stupid  ,have you already forgot that thy were here on Sept 11 2001 and killed 3000 Innocent individuals.
So to finish off this rant God Bless the United States , o and i dont give a crap if you disagree with me or not ,History is on my side,this country has done more good for this planet than any other .

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« Reply #136 on: January 09, 2007, 11:29:20 PM »

"Yeah mate, there was a simple solution up until about a week ago, we could have pulled Saddam and the rest of the Bath party back outta jail, dusted them off, apologis :'(ed for invading their country in the first place and turning it into a smoking hole for no good reason, then pay them say, 10% of the billions of dollars that the US is throwing at the problem at the moment as say, "War Reparations"?"
  I had that idea too just keep him on a short leash and set the dog loose...too late now  :'(



have you already forgot that thy were here on Sept 11 2001 and killed 3000 Innocent individuals.

Good point with the exception that Iraq didnt attack us, Al Quaida did,  Saddam was funding "suicide bombers" but not the 9/11 hijackers....and this is coming from a conservitive who voted for Bush twice, (I thought he could turn it around, doesnt look like it now though)
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« Reply #137 on: January 09, 2007, 11:53:34 PM »
Yeah and Hitler never attacked this country ,but we still went to war with Germany.
with that line of thinking we should have let the Brits and the surrender monkeys(French) deal with him on there on.
Dictators like Saddam and Hitler are like a cancer ,that has to be removed before it spreads.
Just like those little troll's in north Korea and Iran,you can try to appease tham Like Chamberland did ,but we know where that got us .millions dead.

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« Reply #138 on: January 09, 2007, 11:54:17 PM »
Mr Shave, I disagree.  The Bush family has had LOTS of love.  B Sr, Jr got elected by the well informed citizenry as gov and pres TWICE, plus the success of bro.  I am proud to say I did not vote for any of them.  To br frank, I am more than embarrassed for the stupidity of the United States.

Phew!  I was beginning to believe my own rhetoric.  Now, I can put the Luger down and unlock the door. ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2007, 12:08:16 AM »
luger hell ,gone to go cudle with my M1 :)

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« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2007, 01:11:21 AM »
I didnt say that Saddam sisnt need to be removed, I was all for taking him out,

i was referring to your connecting 9/11 to the war in Iraq in which there are no ties (or WMD's come to think of it, but i think they were moved before we moved in)


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« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2007, 09:47:32 AM »
Mr Snip, I have to respect someone who can re-think his position on ANYthing.  It's a shame that politicians are villified as "flip-floppers" if they feel that new information comes to them and they change their mind.  Other politicains and reporters go back as far as possible to find what they are supposed to think and really get ugly if the thinking has changed.  Who the heck thinks about everything the way they did in High School ?


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« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2007, 10:26:24 AM »

This is a big day for me. Apparently I save Mr Shave's life!  I'm so happy.


You may be; however, please, oh please don't start a poll about it. ;)
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« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2007, 12:29:09 PM »
I didn't say that Saddam isn't need to be removed, I was all for taking him out,

i was referring to your connecting 9/11 to the war in Iraq in which there are no ties (or WMD's come to think of it, but i think they were moved before we moved in)


I was a gung ho right wing follower until i started to think and research for myself, I'd have argued with myself 6 months ago

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Hey Rsnip,i agree with you about the wmd,i also think that thy where moved to Syria,on the 9/11 connection ,look up a place ,hope i can spell it right,called Salmen PAC air base,It was used as a traning base for known terrorist,thy had a 727 fuselage that had been used to teach low life's how to take over a air craft with out using firearms,plus Musayie was treated in a bagdad hospital for wounds he received in Afghanistan,also the mastermind of the Acile loral hijacking was found dead in his Bagdad apartment just a few days be for the American invasion,he was shoot in the head 7 time's ,was ruled a suicide(lol).
So i am still not convinced that there was no conection.

As far changing your mind on things I agree with uncle ernie,no one thinks the same thay did 5,10 ,15 years ago a i get tired of the press playing this got you game ,hell 10 years ago i would have considerd my self a long hair hippy leftist tree hugger,Now I just a long haried mad dog conservitive,lol.

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« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2007, 08:26:25 PM »
Don't believe a damn thing you read on the internet about whats going on "over there" Find a vet thats been there and done that and ask him what is really going on. :'(
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« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2007, 09:52:59 PM »
most of the guys I'ev talked to that have been to and have been sent back to iraq say that things werent too bad where they were, so i dont believe things are going as bad as the news says


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« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2007, 10:00:21 PM »
Way back on page 7 I suggested that the world gets its view of America from news reports.

They are universally bad, misleading, and often just plain wrong. Sensationalism sells.

There is no such thing as impartial journalism.
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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2007, 10:05:08 PM »
there is they are just not hired in the mainstream  ;)
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« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2007, 05:17:37 PM »
And when they tell the truth no one believes them!?!?!? :-\ It's an F'd up world we live in no doubt!!!! FTW I have a SOHC to work on!!!!!!! ;D ;D And it getting closer every day!! Get ready to drool, cause its gonna be coooool! ::) :o
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« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2007, 05:22:37 AM »
Well I'd agree that the media will try to inflate the situation, but I work at a military base and talk to soldiers (mostly Aussie's, but some Americans and Brits too) who have just returned from Iraq, and I'll tell you right now, it's bad!

We are getting a lot of applications for mostly US and British soldiers and officers for transfer into the Australian Army, and while I know that Australia is a very popular destination for migrants from around the world, these guys will tell you that the main reason they're applying now is that they think that their chances of survival are greater as Australian soldiers.

Most of them have done more than one deployment there, and they tell me that every time they go back it's worse than the last time they were there, and they just can't see any way of stopping the insurgents.While the coalition forces morale is about as low as it can get, the insurgents honestly believe that they are winning, (they're right) so their attacks are becoming more brazen, and far more often.

I've got two mate's who've left the military to work as "contractors" over there, (they're not mercinaries, they're actually "recovery mechanics", kind of heavy duty tow truck drivers) and their role is to remove the remains of vehicles that have been blown up, or shot up, on a daily basis by either the insurgents or the coalition forces.

There are several teams of these guys from all over the world working 24/7, the pay is enormous (over $1000.00 US per day to keep them there) but the danger is extreme, even though they are working within armed military convoys, (and they're armed as well) they've been ambushed on several occasions, and have been involved in a few fire-fights too.

I don't know if you guys watch the news, but GW has just committed an additional 21,000 US troops to try to "overwhelm" the insurgents, but GW doesn't know all that much about guerrilla warfare, you see  if he did, then he'd know that 21,000 more troops, are just 21,000 more targets.............. Cheers, Terry.  ;D
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