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Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« on: January 13, 2018, 10:23:17 AM »
I don't dual boot my machine, I simply disconnect the hard drive that has Linux on it or reconnect it when I need it.

Why - because it's simpler than messing around with the boot protocols.

That said - Windows and Linux just don't get along.  It's not Linux either - Linux does it's thing and no problem, Windows... ::)
I have to manually restart time services on Windows after I have used Linux
Windows refuses to release old unused hard drives because when Microsoft force upgraded me it automatically merged all hard drives into one volume
After restarting, my boot loader won't change over to Windows automatically, I have to manually boot to Windows - even though it's set to boot from that drive and it takes multiple power cycles to accomplish that.

I've used Linux (Ubuntu GNOME) for a very short time and I have already come to the conclusion that if it weren't for the games I play - I would never go back to Windows again.

I'm glad I finally decided to install it.
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 02:43:28 PM »
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Windows refuses to release old unused hard drives because when Microsoft force upgraded me it automatically merged all hard drives into one volume

Yea that blows sounds like it wants to conquer the ubuntu drive too.

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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »
Well it will sort itself out sooner or later.

More and more games will port to Linux or they're will be better options for playing them (or I'll just get too old to care anymore ;) ) and after that  - I'll kick it to the curb.
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 05:26:19 PM »
Yea, I did that years ago.

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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 03:44:59 PM »
Buy a Raspberry Pi for Linux and leave Windowz for the PC stuff.  ;)
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 05:03:19 PM »
Latest Windows security update 

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: Potentially Unwanted Software
Description: This program has potentially unwanted behavior.

Its the temp file after a Clam avi scan, windows may not want the competition :{

Or is it just dumb?

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The following error occurred: Error code 0x80508023. The program could not find the malware and other potentially unwanted software on this computer.


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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 05:00:59 AM »
Try Linux Mint, it will allow you to install windows and makes a boot menu also. I believe you have to install windows first, then Linux, and it asks you whether you want to erase the current system or install alongside it... which is what you choose. I have used it many times with Windows XP Pro (my favorite Windows of all time) and it works well. I like Linux Mint Cinnamon, but they have other versions also.
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 09:17:51 AM »
Were both already Ubuntu users Charlie, and Mint is based on Ubuntu so I guess you are too. ;)

The install/bootloader you speak of is grub or grub-ver 2, very powerful, and will boot just about any os.

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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 11:47:04 AM »
Yep, that's it, it is based on Ubuntu, but the interface is pretty seamless, and still gives you terminal for command line stuff. I find it gratifying to throw my ISO DVD into a non-working windows PC and 20 minutes later, I have a fully functioning machine with wifi and ethernet and all the video and peripherals work lol...
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 12:11:20 PM »
Try installing Ubuntu on a USB stick if you're using it to repair/diag, then just set the pc to boot from USB under HD options in bios.  You can go one farther if you want and make the USB dual-boot with Ubuntu and copies of any booting install media using grub. ;)

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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 01:11:07 PM »
Stop the Windows Updates altogether. That makes EVERYTHING work better. Every time they 'update' one of my programming laptops, it destroys all the PLC/HMI software and it all has to be reloaded again, takes about 7 days of 8-10 hours per day to accomplish. Pure BS...
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 04:09:56 PM »
PLC I know but what does HMI stand for?

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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 06:52:02 PM »
PLC I know but what does HMI stand for?
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Windows sucks, plain and simple. The Best version was XP Pro, and the Worst was a tie between Vista and Windows 8... Been into computers since Bill Cosby was hocking the TI99/4A, still got one in the basement. I went OS X on a MacBook Pro 7 years ago, and never looked back. I run a couple windows laptops for my laser engravers, and one runs WIn2000 Pro just because the Epilog Summit won't run XP or later... built in 1994. But, the Mac Pro I have works great, its a 2006 MacPro 2.1 running El Capitan with 4 hard drives, one of them a SSD, and 40GB ram, expandable to 64GB. Runs an ATI 1GB video card, and it's fast. It's based off of Linux (OS X is Linux based) so it is cool....
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2018, 05:37:27 AM »
ME (Windows Millennium Edition) blew bigger chunks than Vista. Now Windows 8 as far as epic failures go it's a winner!  ;) 

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That said My dislike for the yacking #$%* and the homogenized attempt to force winblows 10 touchscreen style down my throat. Then pile on the totally untested updates, background downloading and sharing of the "pre-install", then the windows knows best attitude and a dozen small things... well it's is passed ME and rapidly gaining on 8... LOL 
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »
HMI is "Human-Machine Interface". You probably know it as a "touch screen". On machinery we build touchscreens or sometimes screens with keypads or on-screen pushbuttons to operate the equipment. It's all just fancy programming, though... ;)
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Windows and Linux don't play nicely
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 10:13:26 AM »
Ok, I just didn't get the abbreviation. ;)