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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2018, 03:19:21 AM »
yeah the manuals were good I guess on new gear,but as stuff wears?even in the day setting by the full advance would've been my way,dont forget these were new bikes with some what new tech?still these days car mechanics cant or wont touch bikes and visa versa?whats with that #$%*?its only a #$%*ing engine?

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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2018, 11:31:53 AM »
The book method works fine, if the parts used are up to original specs.  If they aren't, then there is something broken and in need of repair/adjustment.  Developing a band aid adjustment to avoid doing the proper repair, it's just a deferral tactic to assuage the human condition, and part of the shade tree mechanics credo.  Sometimes the hubris of the home mechanic amazes me.

I mean really, the thought of an uneducated untrained person citing a part issue work-around being a better option than what a team of highly trained and experienced engineers cross checking each other...  The odds of that are pretty slim, imo

More likely it is the lack of understanding toward the true issue, that breeds these band aid "solutions".  Ever work with a prima donna?

Overlook the advance return spring tension?
Overlook wear on the advance flyweight stops?

Sure, just check it after the advance is "all in".  It will run "well enough".  Go have a beer... 

The shade tree mech only "fixes" one example of someone else's design.  The factory engineers "fixed" thousands to where they all worked the same in harmony.

Who do you really think got closer to "perfection"?

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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2018, 11:22:03 PM »
yeah the manuals were good I guess on new gear,but as stuff wears?even in the day setting by the full advance would've been my way,dont forget these were new bikes with some what new tech?still these days car mechanics cant or wont touch bikes and visa versa?whats with that #$%*?its only a #$%*ing engine?

even then some of their round about maintenance ways are a little strange, their cb days where putting together some sweet production engines, my only guess why some don't want to work on them are, those japanese were some small guys that could put those engines together, at least in carburetor and maybe ignition, oh and valve dept, with .002 valve clearance?? that's like a piece of paper.


 
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2018, 11:32:20 PM »
The book method works fine, if the parts used are up to original specs.  If they aren't, then there is something broken and in need of repair/adjustment.  Developing a band aid adjustment to avoid doing the proper repair, it's just a deferral tactic to assuage the human condition, and part of the shade tree mechanics credo.  Sometimes the hubris of the home mechanic amazes me.

I mean really, the thought of an uneducated untrained person citing a part issue work-around being a better option than what a team of highly trained and experienced engineers cross checking each other...  The odds of that are pretty slim, imo

More likely it is the lack of understanding toward the true issue, that breeds these band aid "solutions".  Ever work with a prima donna?

Overlook the advance return spring tension?
Overlook wear on the advance flyweight stops?

Sure, just check it after the advance is "all in".  It will run "well enough".  Go have a beer... 

The shade tree mech only "fixes" one example of someone else's design.  The factory engineers "fixed" thousands to where they all worked the same in harmony.

Who do you really think got closer to "perfection"?

Carry on...

I'm thinking you have to be somewhat joking in your second paragraph, it would be funny an "uneducated and untrained" person that might discover a solution to a "work around fix," but it does happen, not only that, being the untrained  and uneducated will find things because he wasn't brainwashed as an expert engineer in training and then unable to see anything but what they learned at the pro level, back in the day either in factory racing, mechanics or distributors, it all was in one direction-for honda.  these bikes and you know it, or should,  are a living organism project under constant change, fuel is one example, materials in today's industry are different if available any more, oils are different, laws, highways, tracks and course speed conditions (sadly safety regs have turned ruthless plain racing for fun into pretty much candy ass (speed limits in pits?? if it's gas pits stand back, it's part of the race, putting speed limits on them, the next thing you know it'll all be limited when you give it away,) gotta grow with it, and that's capability, and if that can be done, the most uneducated untrained can take a stab at it and nail it. i listen to every one's ideas and fixes, only i have a hard time when it echoes of car salesmanships, even if there is 10 of them tight nitted fixed on particular subjects such as carb rebuilds & sync, and ignitions etc. some of those things wear out and w/out any out of spec measurements. I'm not gonna get another set of cases because it's worn. I have worked with prima donnas all the time, i'd be one only i dont' like telling anyone what to do. so that leaves me being my own prima donna in my own little world, I don't know why i lean away from factory trained, maybe it was in the height of production days of these bikes i had quite a bit of experience in competition with the full factory trained riders and teams and i gotta give them credit because of their consistency, they always got solid 2nd. i'm sure they were cross checking every angle, while we were snappin' bong hits like they were going out of style. that's probably it. all we had over them was ambition with a vision, and a lot of wingin it. it worked and always has. sometimes "works well enough" even slim to no chance...wins world championships, and the only one that could argue that point is usually 2nd place 3rd, 4th etc. that's gotta be why.

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2018, 08:24:39 PM »
UPDATE: I adjusted the valves, changed the plugs and caps to new ones and the bike idles so smoothly now it's like night and day difference. I took her out for a ride about 40 minutes in city traffic and a few miles of open highway. I did about 120 kmh in fourth according to the speedo, but I doubt that thing is accurate, the traffic in that part mostly drives at around 80-90 and I was going a bit faster so probably I was doing 90-100, I didn't have a chance to get up to higher gears, but man it felt like a different bike, however it does go out of breath in the high end, but I'm pretty sure that's because I'm running the stock 400 carbs on stock settings. I'm happy it's really starting to feel like a proper bike. After the ride maybe about a block away from home I lost neutral it was first to second and vice versa, but I was already close so didn't check it, I'll do it tomorrow.

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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2018, 11:30:22 PM »
When the engine is at working temperature, neutral is always harder to find. That's why it's wise to select neutral before the bike has come to a complete stop like at a traffic light.
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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2018, 03:28:08 AM »
yes thanging dovn in gear...is alvaus on the move..
.roling ahead to a light signal..i alvays trap dovn through the gear...to neutran..before i kommes to hold.
.then i can be garenteed i can hold in neutral..and even more imp..i can hit 1 gear..to roar aut of the green light..
this is just a charme of the Honda gear box..all my Hondas do the same..even the big cbx had a bit of it...
think Kawasaki and all types mc have this..no syncro in the gearbox..its a primitive system..just like 1930 cars..
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2018, 04:07:53 AM »
Quote from: dave500 on January 23, 2018, 09:19:21 pm

yeah the manuals were good I guess on new gear,but as stuff wears?even in the day setting by the full advance would've been my way,dont forget these were new bikes with some what new tech?still these days car mechanics cant or wont touch bikes and visa versa?whats with that #$%*?its only a #$%*ing engine?




even then some of their round about maintenance ways are a little strange, their cb days where putting together some sweet production engines, my only guess why some don't want to work on them are, those japanese were some small guys that could put those engines together, at least in carburetor and maybe ignition, oh and valve dept, with .002 valve clearance?? that's like a piece of paper.

umm dah like yeah,it is like a piece of paper like,with all your hanging round racers one might think you knew like that like or some#$%* like?#$%* man?you on crack?

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2018, 04:11:45 AM »
The book method works fine, if the parts used are up to original specs.  If they aren't, then there is something broken and in need of repair/adjustment.  Developing a band aid adjustment to avoid doing the proper repair, it's just a deferral tactic to assuage the human condition, and part of the shade tree mechanics credo.  Sometimes the hubris of the home mechanic amazes me.

I mean really, the thought of an uneducated untrained person citing a part issue work-around being a better option than what a team of highly trained and experienced engineers cross checking each other...  The odds of that are pretty slim, imo

More likely it is the lack of understanding toward the true issue, that breeds these band aid "solutions".  Ever work with a prima donna?

Overlook the advance return spring tension?
Overlook wear on the advance flyweight stops?

Sure, just check it after the advance is "all in".  It will run "well enough".  Go have a beer... 

The shade tree mech only "fixes" one example of someone else's design.  The factory engineers "fixed" thousands to where they all worked the same in harmony.

Who do you really think got closer to "perfection"?

Carry on...

I'm thinking you have to be somewhat joking in your second paragraph, it would be funny an "uneducated and untrained" person that might discover a solution to a "work around fix," but it does happen, not only that, being the untrained  and uneducated will find things because he wasn't brainwashed as an expert engineer in training and then unable to see anything but what they learned at the pro level, back in the day either in factory racing, mechanics or distributors, it all was in one direction-for honda.  these bikes and you know it, or should,  are a living organism project under constant change, fuel is one example, materials in today's industry are different if available any more, oils are different, laws, highways, tracks and course speed conditions (sadly safety regs have turned ruthless plain racing for fun into pretty much candy ass (speed limits in pits?? if it's gas pits stand back, it's part of the race, putting speed limits on them, the next thing you know it'll all be limited when you give it away,) gotta grow with it, and that's capability, and if that can be done, the most uneducated untrained can take a stab at it and nail it. i listen to every one's ideas and fixes, only i have a hard time when it echoes of car salesmanships, even if there is 10 of them tight nitted fixed on particular subjects such as carb rebuilds & sync, and ignitions etc. some of those things wear out and w/out any out of spec measurements. I'm not gonna get another set of cases because it's worn. I have worked with prima donnas all the time, i'd be one only i dont' like telling anyone what to do. so that leaves me being my own prima donna in my own little world, I don't know why i lean away from factory trained, maybe it was in the height of production days of these bikes i had quite a bit of experience in competition with the full factory trained riders and teams and i gotta give them credit because of their consistency, they always got solid 2nd. i'm sure they were cross checking every angle, while we were snappin' bong hits like they were going out of style. that's probably it. all we had over them was ambition with a vision, and a lot of wingin it. it worked and always has. sometimes "works well enough" even slim to no chance...wins world championships, and the only one that could argue that point is usually 2nd place 3rd, 4th etc. that's gotta be why.

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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2018, 04:24:51 AM »
man this guys from mars?dont tell him I said that though,just quietly its not normal to rant on?

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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2018, 07:17:56 AM »
What about the clutch Basket?  Sounds like it's time to file the notches out?

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Re: She hauls but not that much.
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 08:30:12 AM »
What about the clutch Basket?  Sounds like it's time to file the notches out?

I already did that when adjusting, the fingers are all nice and smooth, well as smooth as possible without wearing them down too much.
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