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72 CB500 Restomod - *Update* Sold!
« on: January 27, 2018, 06:47:07 PM »
Hello and welcome, thanks for stopping in. Glad to be here, etc.

This thread is for my very first complete restoration/modified motorcycle, a 1971 Honda CB500. When I bought this bike, it was basically a frame and an engine with rusty, crumbly 4-into-2 exhaust. Along with the frame and engine, I received a rolling CB550 frame, a couple of tanks, couple sets of side covers, a spare CB550 engine in unknown condition, a 4-into-1 exhaust (which doesn't fit the 500, bummer), and some spare odds and ends - an original tool kit! and a homemade highway peg mounting bar among them.

This being my first ever project like this, I tore into it with the same kind of rabid voracity you might see from a pack of starved hyenas who've just been tossed a rack of ribs. This project actually started almost 2 months ago, and I've gotten several things done already, I'm pausing now to recap for myself and to share with others who may be interested.

I did a partial tear down, to kind of get an inventory of what I had and assess what needed to be done. Then I swapped the suspension and wheels from the rolling frame onto the 500 so it wouldn't look so pitiful. It was at this point that I finally started taking some pictures


My first objective is to get the engine running. I knew that the engine wasn't seized, which was a plus. I probably should have invested in a compression tester, but I didn't. I blindly trusted that the engine had been kept someplace dry, and put some oil in it to start the process of getting everything hooked up to try to start it. I pulled the old spark plugs out and put a small amount of oil into each cylinder to see if I could kick the engine over a few times and free everything up. It only took one kick, though, to see that there was a problem. As the engine turned over, fluid was fired from the spark plug holes with great force, hitting stuff that was 15-20 feet away and generally making a mess in the garage. That fluid turned out to be oily water.

I pulled the drain plug (which I should have done from the get-go) and sure enough, about a gallon of oily water dumped out. Time to pull the engine apart!

I wish I had taken more pictures. Everything in the crankcase had a light coating of rust, as did the valve tappets, rocker arms, cam shaft, and a bunch of the steel parts of the transmission.

The shift drum and wrist pins were seized in place with rust, and I had to get creative to get them out without damaging them, but I still managed to crack one of the pistons. I was lucky enough to find a set of salvaged pistons on eBay that were in decent condition (better than mine, as it turned out) for about $30 shipped, and while I waited for them to arrive, I set about doing a thorough cleaning of all of the engine parts that needed attention.

I ordered a complete gasket set, all new seals, standard piston rings (not interested in trying to do any performance mods), a new cam chain slipper (it was probably fine, but I wanted to be sure), along with some other things not engine-related like brake shoes, throttle cables, brake hoses, and whatnot. I debated taking the connecting rods apart to replace those bearings and the crankshaft bearings, but there wasn't really any need to do so. Those parts were in very good condition, very little wear on the journals, no play in the con rods, I'm led to believe that this engine either has very low mileage, or has been completely rebuilt before.

Once I was done cleaning everything up and I had all of my parts, I set to work reassembling the engine. I had spent quite a lot of time researching the subject, downloaded and printed out some manuals (thanks sohc4.net!) borrowed an inch/lb. torque wrench from work, and invested in some assembly lube and gasket maker.

Everything went back together smoothly, and at this point I was fairly confident that I was going to end up with a good running engine, so I started to focus on some of the other items that had been on my mind. Namely, the fuel tank. Apparently the PO was a big Eagles fan (the band, not the NFL team)

As cool as it looks, it's just not my bag. I went back and forth for awhile, trying to decide whether or not I should keep that paint job for the sake of honoring the bike's history, if nothing else, but the more I looked at it, the less I liked it. It has been sanded down to bare metal (and bondo, since the PO also decided to cover up the logo brackets).

Next objective is the wiring harness. I love electrical stuff, wiring, soldering, heat shrinking, the whole jam. The old harness was kind of cracked up and had some frayed wires and 40-year-old electrical tape on it, so I took it apart, cleaned everything up, and set about redoing it.

While I was at it, I replaced the old connectors. The old ones had a good amount of corrosion built up on the pins, and these new ones are like 1/4 the size.

After completely fixing up the wiring harness only to realize that it was the harness from the CB550, which has components that are extraneous for the CB500, I took it all apart and cut that stuff out and put it back together a second time.

That pretty much more or less catches us up to today, and this is a picture of the bike as she sits right now

The tank is a little rusty inside, so I'm gonna clean it out with some diluted muriatic acid. I've also ordered a new petcock, since the brass feed tube on the old one was cracked and I lost the heckin dang wavy washer when I took it apart. The carbs have more or less checked out okay. Cleaned all the jets and ports, replaced the old float bowl gaskets and put some new fuel lines on them. They look to be in decent shape, but I guess I'll find out when I get some gas into them.

Thanks for reading, and stay tuned! I haven't let a day pass since I brought the bike home where I didn't have my hands on some part of it.

Let me know if I'm doing something completely wrong or if you think this is amazing or whatever.
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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 09:31:58 AM »
If there is anyone that loves cool old custom paint, it's me...that said, glad you sanded that tank down.  The Eagles suck.

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 09:50:22 AM »
Thanks! Glad to be here.


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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 09:32:00 PM »
That's one way to mark the 2nd anniversary of Glenn Frey's death.   :o ::)
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Update: New bars, and other stuff, and questions?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 02:21:52 PM »
Ok! It's February now, so that's fun. I got some items in the mail today, which included my new bars



They're Emgo Superbike bars. They fit like a glove and they're comfortable. Paired with these squishy Rebel grips http://4into1.com/rebel-grips-black/, they should do the trick.

I'm more or less assured that the engine is going to run, it's just a matter of getting everything hooked up and tuned, so I've been starting to focus on other components a little over the past few days.

I bought some Evaporust and poured it in my tank after the muriatic acid did a mediocre job. The Evaporust is doing a pretty good job, I've just been rotating it around so that it gets everywhere.

I started taking everything back off of the frame to prep it for repainting. A friend of mine suggested using bed liner to paint the frame, and I'm wondering if anyone else has done that and what kind of result they got. I'm probably just going to go with a nice satin black and leave it at that.

I've been thinking a lot about that 4-into-1 exhaust that I've got.





Rather than drop another $350-400 on exhaust, I'm wondering how feasible it would be to cut the pipes off where they meet up at the collector and rotate them slightly so that they will mount up on my exhaust ports, then weld it all back together (or have it welded, by someone who knows what they're doing, since I don't have a welder or any experience with it)

Anyway thanks for dropping back by and I'll keep you posted.

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018, 02:51:01 PM »
If there is anyone that loves cool old custom paint, it's me...that said, glad you sanded that tank down.  The Eagles suck.


Sean and I dont always agree, I like the Eagles.   But that custom paint had to go, good choice.

If it matters, the stock frame is semi-gloss, my current project is gloss black 'cause that's what my powder guy had in stock!

Why wont the 4 into 1 pipe work?

And BTW - welcome, looks like a nice project you are diving into!
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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018, 02:59:46 PM »
The pipes are spaced for a different engine, they’re about 1.5-2” wider overall than the exhaust ports on the 500.

Thanks for the words of encouragement! I’m enjoying the heck out of this so far

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018, 05:44:29 PM »
Modifying that exhaust would be tricky, but doable. I see 2 major issues to overcome:
1 is the condition of the pipes themselves. They're pretty rusty and no doubt pretty sooted up internally which will make welding them a major PITA.

2, cutting the pipes to fit your motor then re-weld them at the collector will take some decent amount of cutting and trimming of the pipes to fit into the collector. I'd encourage you to get a new collector (available online from a few places) and use that. This would make that aspect of the job a lot, lot easier.

If you want to have a go at it, and can't find someone in your neighborhood, give me a holler. I'll come down and we can have a whack at it. It might even be possible to slice a pie cut into 1 or 2 of the pipes to massage the fit, then weld that piece back into place (same issue as #1 above though).
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Re: Update: New bars, and other stuff, and questions?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 04:48:57 AM »
A friend of mine suggested using bed liner to paint the frame, and I'm wondering if anyone else has done that and what kind of result they got. I'm probably just going to go with a nice satin black and leave it at that.
Bed liner would not be a good choice due to its thickness. The battery NEG cable actually grounds against the frame and motor, so it must be bare metal. Plus, in other areas where the engine mounts, the added thickness would require you to shave off the liner from the frame, or spacers, or both. Not recommended.

Better, is to use POR-15 Chassis Black. Clean and degrease the frame, then rough it up with some paper, wipe it down, then apply the POR-15. It is a very durable finish, decent luster, and you can make it look perfect in your garage. Just keep the engine mount areas in the upper rear clean to bare metal and wipe a little dielectric grease on it for  protection.
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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 05:14:14 AM »
New collector would probably be the way to go, it sounds like. The metal seems like it can probably be groomed for welding without too much effort.

Thanks for the suggestions. I’m gonna look into it and get some parts on the way.

I had a feeling that the bed liner would cause issues with the mounting holes, thanks for the response. There are a couple of other issues with the frame that I had concerns about. The PO also drilled a bunch of small (maybe 1/8”) holes along the side to attach button snaps for an aftermarket seat back in the day. Also, did the 500 have the same sort of seat hinge as the 550? If so, that’s been shaved off of the frame as well.

I’m going to have those holes welded up, to head off the rust. Unless the heat from tacking up all those holes would risk frame distortion, in which case I guess body filler would work maybe?

The guy I bought the bike from didn’t have a few things that I really needed: a seat, a front brake lever/cylinder, and an air box. He’s supposed to be getting the first two things for me fairly soon, and I can make do with pods in lieu of an air box, but I’d prefer that good even air flow that only a factory air intake can supply.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 06:24:29 AM »
Closing those drilled holes won't hurt a thing. But, first pour some Metal Rescue or the like into the frame to treat any internal rust that's collected. I may have some of the parts you need, that you're welcome to. Shoot me a PM with exactly what you need, and I'll see what kind of a Care Package I can put together for you  ;) I live a few miles up the road outside Richmond, so even an in-person delivery is possible. I had some business travel to Europe fall through this week, so I find myself with free time suddenly  :o
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 12:13:18 PM »
Shoot me a PM with exactly what you need, and I'll see what kind of a Care Package I can put together for you  ;)

Dang, that’s mighty generous of you! I might take you up on that, thanks a bunch!

I talked with my buddy earlier, and he has a 4-into-2 that he can trade me for the 4-into-1. I’d actually prefer the 4-2, I like the symmetry.

Before I get too far ahead of myself, though, I’m gonna get this frame business wrapped up over the weekend. Provided the winds blow in my favor, of course :P

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 01:27:29 PM »
That 4-into-2 that my buddy had turned out not to be for a 500 either (FRICK).

It'll be all right, though. Between me and my pool of buddies, friends, and acquaintances, Something will be figured out.

This morning I tasked myself with removing the engine from the frame, along with the triple tree, rear shocks, and whatever other little bits were still attached.

Who knew that a Toyota Corolla's back seat would be the perfect size to accommodate a CB500 frame?



Anyway, I'm gonna head to my big warm day job shop in a bit and see about getting this pup cleaned up and ready for primer.

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
Got a bunch done tonight. Plugged some holes, did some cleaning, removed some paint, and most exciting (to me) I finally got  my tank cleaned out



It had really been buggin me, but now it's all better

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 06:11:57 PM »
Update time:

Got some primer on the frame and the tank. Looking at the frame with all that blue covered up was like looking at a blank canvas, and it all became very real for me at that moment. I've been wanting to do something like this for over a decade, and I'm finally there. Feels good.

Anyway, pictures:





I also started trying to clean up the rear wheel, it was in pretty rough shape, very rusty and pitted in places. I may end up having to replace it altogether, but I'm not really sure how bad is too bad. Having worked on cars for most of my adult life, I know that a vehicle is never really a lost cause until the owner is no longer willing to throw money at it, but I'll deal with that at a later date

These pictures are post-brass-wire-brushing





That tire has held up surprisingly well to be almost 20 years old.

Also! I finally got a seat!

Well when I say seat, I really mean



seat remnants, with some salvageable bits, and a maybe usable pan. It was pretty disheartening to see just how badly deteriorated it is. I'm pretty sure I can get it cleaned up and back to a upholster-able state, but dang.

It has retained the most important bit, though



Gotta love that old butt logo.

Meanwhile my engine is just hanging out, waiting to be brought back to life



That about does it for tonight. Thanks for stopping by!

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 06:21:15 PM »
You need new spokes and a new sprocket on the rear wheel. And, ditch that tire and get a new one.  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 06:40:22 PM »
Oh yeah, I should have been more clear, i'm definitely replacing those tires. It's on down the list a ways

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 08:27:56 PM »
Update time:

Got some primer on the frame and the tank. Looking at the frame with all that blue covered up was like looking at a blank canvas, and it all became very real for me at that moment. I've been wanting to do something like this for over a decade, and I'm finally there. Feels good.


Nail hit squarely on the head.    I share in your joy.

Keep up the good work, take your time, and enjoy the process!

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 08:50:57 AM »
You can get a reproduction seat cover with the HONDA logo on it easily enough.

Those spokes are roached.  Some people might steel wool or sand them but they will rust again.  I would replace them.
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 12:16:26 PM »
I actually ordered a new set of spokes earlier, they’re not terribly pricey. I’m not excited about lacing and truing the wheel, but I’m sure I can do it with my patience and fastidiousness to aid me.  8)

With the seat, we’ve got some really good upholstery guys here locally, I’m probably going to farm it out to them once I get it ready. I want something a little different, not something flat and hard as a rock, but not quite as thick as the stock seat. I haven’t really settled on what kind of pleating I’d like either, maybe diamond tucked brown pleather with white stitching, and a gel pad embedded, who knows!

Has anyone ever tried out those Drag Specialties clocks? I see them on custom builds a lot but nobody ever really says anything about their function and reliability. I like the look of them, and the price is reasonable.

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 03:59:27 PM »
With the seat, we’ve got some really good upholstery guys here locally, I’m probably going to farm it out to them once I get it ready. I want something a little different, not something flat and hard as a rock, but not quite as thick as the stock seat. I haven’t really settled on what kind of pleating I’d like either, maybe diamond tucked brown pleather with white stitching, and a gel pad embedded, who knows!

Take a look at Camrector's 650/550 hybrid build.  He slimmed down the stock seat to a reasonable compromise.

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1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 03:39:33 PM »
I do like that, looks comfortable.

I started stripping the seat pan down to prep it for paint, and let me tell you, this metal has seen better days



I don't think it's too far gone, though. It's at least as solid as some of the fiberglass molds that I've seen people make for seats in the past. Fiberglass isn't off the table, either. If this pan plan falls through, I may go that route.

put some more primer on the tank and frame, it's really showcasing how shoddy my metal prep job was (for the frame at least, the tank looks pretty good). I may yet have to sand it all down again to try and do better.

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 03:50:37 PM »

I may yet have to sand it all down again to try and do better.

I prefer blasting over sanding, cannot beat that for preparation...
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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 07:08:02 PM »
I wish I had access to some sandblasting sandblaster sandblast times

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Re: 71 CB500 Restomod
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 05:50:59 AM »
Your engine looks good. My wheels are too far gone so I'm going to lace up new ones on the hubs. How'd you get your engine out?
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