Topic: Falcon Heavy & Starman

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

 LOL. Yes Tesla reported its worst quarter in company history yesterday.   You, however, said, "He does not make any money with Tesla."  That assumes that Tesla has never turned a profit, which is inaccurate. 
 

   

Why does my statement, that Tesla does not make any money assume it never turned a profit??
Even so, if it did, I would like to know when?

First, since your initial statement -- that Musk does not make any money with Tesla -- only concerns Musk, then look to Tesla's IPO.  On June 29, 2010, Tesla Motors launched its initial public offering on NASDAQ. 13,300,000 shares of common stock were issued to the public at a price of US$17.00 per share. The IPO raised US$226 million for the company. Guess who its largest shareholder was?

Second, Tesla reported its first profitable quarter in the 3rd Quarter of 2016.  Tesla repeatedly invests in software and hardware improvements that will generate future gross profits.  The compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of Tesla’s gross profit over the last 5 years is 91.8%. That’s faster than Facebook (FB) and Amazon (AMZN) combined. It’s three times faster than Salesforce (CRM), almost five times faster than Netflix (NFLX), and over five times faster than Alphabet (GOOG, GOOGL). Tesla is one of the fasting growing companies in the world, and possibly the single fastest growing manufacturing company.

[Gordon]

It is amazing to me... that allegedly 50 years ago, with computers that had less power than a Commodore Vic20... we went to the moon, 220,000 miles away. And here we are, speculating about going to Mars, colonies on the Moon, etc. Well, all we have accomplished is to orbit the earth at 220 miles, in the Space Station.
Anyone remember the Van Allen radiation belt? It circles the earth at 22,500 miles, and shields us from harmful solar and cosmic radiation... well inside the Van Allen belt, is where all our communication satellites live. If we travel outside that shielding, we couldn't live due to the high radiation there, unless we had thick lead shielding (15ft). The Van Allen radiation belt was placed so that life, as we do know it, could exist here on earth. And after being an amateur radio operator, and knowing that it takes 1 1/2 seconds for a radio signal to reach the moon, and then another 1 1/2 seconds for the return signal (moon bounce) I don't think we ever actually set foot on the moon. There isn't any 3 second lag in the communications between NASA and the moon lander... let alone the 'footprint'... it takes moisture to hold dirt or dust together to make a well-defined boot print. Just step into the kiln room in a cement plant, and try to make a print in that dust. It makes a pod mark. There is no atmosphere on the moon, so ergo, no moisture, or humidity. Anyway, dream on, and see what we can accomplish, and the planet Mars? That's just to suck more money into their pockets...
Charlie

That is some quality satire right there!   

[dave500]

the moon isn't really there so how could anyone go to it?and the moon is flat.

[MikeSimon]

First, since your initial statement -- that Musk does not make any money with Tesla -- only concerns Musk, then look to Tesla's IPO
   

You can turn and twist this anyway you want. My statement said clearly that Musk does not make any money with Tesla.
 Right now, present tense. And he doesn't! Period.

[Duke McDukiedook]

the moon isn't really there so how could anyone go to it?and the moon is flat.

And made of delicious cheese!

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

First, since your initial statement -- that Musk does not make any money with Tesla -- only concerns Musk, then look to Tesla's IPO
   

You can turn and twist this anyway you want. My statement said clearly that Musk does not make any money with Tesla.
 Right now, present tense. And he doesn't! Period.

You get the prize for being Captain Obvious about Tesla's 3rd Quarter report.  You really got me there! 

You have trouble conceding that he made millions off the IPO (which he almost assuredly invests and makes additional earnings on), and you also fail to recognize that he earns a salary or draw in his position.  Ask yourself, if you are employed, if you make any money from your company when the company is not profitable.  His compensation is one of the costs that factors into the company's bottom line.  He does not work for free.  Unless you are an indentured servant/slave, you probably do.  I got news for you. Even executives at failing companies make money with them.  So, sorry, but I'm still right.

Your mindset seems to omit that businesses (especially on the scale of something like Tesla, that requires massive investment and infrastructure), are not immediately profitable.  The company is one of the fastest growing enterprises in the world because it reinvests and plans for the future.  Building massive battery factories and tooling up new production lines costs money.  Really?  This is not a failing business with contracting revenue streams and decreased investment, employment and growth. 

[carnivorous chicken]

I'm thinking this is a stunt to simply introduce more chemtrails through different means.

[333]

I'm not sure if that "chemtrail" comment was serious, but clearly some of this threads participants fall in to the sentiment of my last comment here;

On the other hand, I don't know, whether humans are worth surviving.

Some are, some aren't.

And I stand by this.

[SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan]

I'm thinking this is a stunt to simply introduce more chemtrails through different means.

Eureka!

[vfourfreak]

the moon isn't really there so how could anyone go to it?and the moon is flat.

And made of delicious cheese!

The moon's a baloon.

[carnivorous chicken]

I'm not sure if that "chemtrail" comment was serious, but clearly some of this threads participants fall in to the sentiment of my last comment here;

Without more efficient means of disbursing chemtrails, the population of shape-shifting lizard people would not be able to continue to grow exponentially and thereby continue to do the Rothschild's bidding, and the position of humans as temporary hosts for nutritional value for the incoming alien species would be in peril. Thus, Musk had to launch the rocket and continue to propel the myth that the earth is round, which is consistent with the staged lunar landing. We all know that was faked, just ask Buzz Aldrin and he'll resort to violence -- a sure sign of a cover up. Soylent Green is people.

[FuZZie]

OR are we disbursing chemtrails to poison the meat? 

[Duke McDukiedook]

I'm not sure if that "chemtrail" comment was serious, but clearly some of this threads participants fall in to the sentiment of my last comment here;

Without more efficient means of disbursing chemtrails, the population of shape-shifting lizard people would not be able to continue to grow exponentially and thereby continue to do the Rothschild's bidding, and the position of humans as temporary hosts for nutritional value for the incoming alien species would be in peril. Thus, Musk had to launch the rocket and continue to propel the myth that the earth is round, which is consistent with the staged lunar landing. We all know that was faked, just ask Buzz Aldrin and he'll resort to violence -- a sure sign of a cover up. Soylent Green is people.

Never doubt the power of the shape-shifting lizard people. They have been in power here for a decent amount of time.

[vfourfreak]

I'm not sure if that "chemtrail" comment was serious, but clearly some of this threads participants fall in to the sentiment of my last comment here;

Without more efficient means of disbursing chemtrails, the population of shape-shifting lizard people would not be able to continue to grow exponentially and thereby continue to do the Rothschild's bidding, and the position of humans as temporary hosts for nutritional value for the incoming alien species would be in peril. Thus, Musk had to launch the rocket and continue to propel the myth that the earth is round, which is consistent with the staged lunar landing. We all know that was faked, just ask Buzz Aldrin and he'll resort to violence -- a sure sign of a cover up. Soylent Green is people.

Never doubt the power of the shape-shifting lizard people. They have been in power here for a decent amount of time.

Feckit, just let the children boogie 

Kev

[jlh3rd]

On the other hand, I don't know, whether humans are worth surviving. The species may go the way of dinosaurs. What would be so unusual about it? Other forms of life may be better suited to survive.

Pretty much agree with that sentiment.

As long as humans place more belief in the laws of human nature/superiority rather than the laws of physics, they aren't worth surviving, imo.  We've spent generations attempting to avoid or circumvent physical laws and mostly at the expense of every species on this planet, including our own.

I'm not looking to eliminate them myself, mind you.  But, I decided long ago to not add to the population by having offspring.  This society simply doesn't deserve expansion.

Mankind evolved in the ideal environment for the species.  Packaging that environment for off world survival is highly inefficient and wasteful of resources.

I love science fiction stories.  But the fact is, humans simply can't survive off this world in any part of this solar systems without being supremely dependent on a technology developed by fallible humans.  It's an ultimately self destructive endeavor.
Any off world colony will be reduced to a slavers environment by the homo sapien need to control everything and be more privileged than the rest.  (more free, if you will).  Someone or group will manipulate control, and the rest will do what you are told if you want to continue existence, their is no possibility of escaping the environmental control support mechanism.

Cripes, it's happening right now on our current planet.  We are being conditioned as we speak.   Carbon emission tax.  How long till simply exhaling benefits someone else who is "in control" elected or not.
Water, is an increasing topic now.  Water rates continue to rise.  And there is the ongoing threat of rationing.  The "people" must pay.  Anyone had a reduction?  These are fundamental needs to the species survival.  Whoever wrangles "control" can dictate if you live, unless their whims are placated.
70% of earth's surface is water.  Those with means would rather launch a car into orbit than make that water available for their own species.

The basic fact that gads of resources were expended to orbit a car, for whimsical reasons, rather than focusing on other more impactful projects to actually improve human prosperity and improvement, supports the fact that humans are far too selfish pursuing their own whims than have any regard for the quality of life of their own species.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.  Why is it that doing something you should has far less notoriety than doing something outrageously wasteful, or outlandish?  Answer: that's the human way.

What possible reason would an extraterestial want to interface with such a manipulative and domineering species?

Anyway, all it takes is one wandering meteor of sufficient size and the whole evolution thing begins anew.


Carry on!






Well, cripes .....then why do you own motorcycles. Unless I totally misunderstood you.....lots of frivolous money spent on buying, repairing, rebuilding, restoring, etc....that certainly doesn’t help with the water.......

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[Duke McDukiedook]

All frivolous money from this point on shall be directed to 'the water'.

[MikeSimon]

You get the prize for being Captain Obvious about Tesla's 3rd Quarter report.  You really got me there! 

You have trouble conceding that he made millions off the IPO (which he almost assuredly invests and makes additional earnings on), and you also fail to recognize that he earns a salary or draw in his position.  Ask yourself, if you are employed, if you make any money from your company when the company is not profitable.  His compensation is one of the costs that factors into the company's bottom line.  He does not work for free.  Unless you are an indentured servant/slave, you probably do.  I got news for you. Even executives at failing companies make money with them.  So, sorry, but I'm still right.

 

As you insist dragging this on:

Sorry, my statement may have been misleading. When I said "Musk doesn't make any money with Tesla" , I didn't actually mean he personally doesn't make any money, but I was eluding to the fact that Tesla was not profitable. ( Not only in the last quarter, but for some time now). Which you argued with. Hence this going back and forth.
Of course, Musk personally makes money. All scammers do. Upon expense of those they scam. I hope you have invested in Tesla stock.

[Yamahawk]

I'm not sure if that "chemtrail" comment was serious, but clearly some of this threads participants fall in to the sentiment of my last comment here;

Without more efficient means of disbursing chemtrails, the population of shape-shifting lizard people would not be able to continue to grow exponentially and thereby continue to do the Rothschild's bidding, and the position of humans as temporary hosts for nutritional value for the incoming alien species would be in peril. Thus, Musk had to launch the rocket and continue to propel the myth that the earth is round, which is consistent with the staged lunar landing. We all know that was faked, just ask Buzz Aldrin and he'll resort to violence -- a sure sign of a cover up. Soylent Green is people.

"....AAAND THE SKY IS FAAALLING!!"
                                Chicken Little

Charlie

[Bankerdanny]

 LOL. Yes Tesla reported its worst quarter in company history yesterday.   You, however, said, "He does not make any money with Tesla."  That assumes that Tesla has never turned a profit, which is inaccurate. 
 

   

Why does my statement, that Tesla does not make any money assume it never turned a profit??
Even so, if it did, I would like to know when?

Well, actually, profit and cash flow aren't the same thing. It is possible for a business to make quite a lot of cash while still reporting a loss.

In the case of Tesla however I believe that on the whole the company has had both ongoing annual losses AND negative cash flow.

[FuZZie]

Didn't he make a bunch of the patents opensource? I thought I'd read that somewhere online but can't remember the source.
If that's the case he may as well make that one NFP.

[Yamahawk]

OR are we disbursing chemtrails to poison the meat? 

I figure that the increase in skin cancer could be directly related the the filtering of sunlight through the chemtrails left by the jet fuel used today. The military fuel is different spec, than commercial, but they all start with the basic kerosene type fuel with additives. I would hazard to say, that the light, being filtered by the haze,  would contain wavelengths that could be the cause of increased skin cancer. Sunlight has a broad spectrum, and can be filtered to produce different healing or debilitating light. It would be a good excuse to get a grant for studying the increase in skin cancer, anyway!
Did anyone notice on 09/11/01, the absence of clouds that day... there were no jets flying here in the States at all... and a beautiful blue sky! At least, in SE Michigan!
Charlie

[dave500]

I wanna see a tesla electric rocket yet?

[333]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails

[FuZZie]

OR are we disbursing chemtrails to poison the meat? 

I figure that the increase in skin cancer could be directly related the the filtering of sunlight through the chemtrails left by the jet fuel used today. The military fuel is different spec, than commercial, but they all start with the basic kerosene type fuel with additives. I would hazard to say, that the light, being filtered by the haze,  would contain wavelengths that could be the cause of increased skin cancer. Sunlight has a broad spectrum, and can be filtered to produce different healing or debilitating light. It would be a good excuse to get a grant for studying the increase in skin cancer, anyway!
Did anyone notice on 09/11/01, the absence of clouds that day... there were no jets flying here in the States at all... and a beautiful blue sky! At least, in SE Michigan!
Charlie

Think that's just from a generation of sun worshiping idiots using large quantities of chemicals and oil on the skin. 

[jaguar]

Im surprised that you old farts are that impressed!
Bet most of you are old enough to remember that past......


Like that time in 1971 that the USA managed to fire an electric car into space!
So this Tesla thing is kinda lame.

Mainly do to the fact that when the USA did it we then landed that car on the freaking moon and had a few guys drive it around for a while....