Author Topic: So I was in this bike shop,, (Read 1974 times)

Don R · « **on:** February 08, 2018, 02:51:41 AM »

And there was a motorcycle, I said that's kind of cute what is it? The guy said Sears, I asked the guy is it Italian or Japanese? Thinking Italian. He looked at me like I was speaking latin. He said no, I told you, it's Sears. Jeeez!

And of course he was right. It said Sears right on it. I guess they made it at the Sears factory next to the Lawn Mowers and the DieHard batteries.

They worked on my buddies V twin Kawasaki for a year and a half. It stayed fixed for about a week, ran another 25, maybe 30 miles. Crank sensor. it's a bad mofo to get to.

Steve F · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2018, 04:08:57 AM »

They were mostly made by PUCH in Austria(?), and some were indeed Italian, around early to mid '50's.

MikeSimon · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2018, 04:57:02 AM »

Yes, Puch from Austria. Sold here under "Sears Allstate". Don't know about the Italian versions. HD had a stake in Aermacchi and sold some of their bikes under the HD label here.
Puch had a good market share in Europe. Smaller bikes up to 250cc, mostly. Merged with Steyr to form Steyr Daimler Puch. Made agricultural tractors and heavy duty trucks. Is now part of Magna International and builds some cars for renown manufacturers. You would be surprised.

Yamahawk · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2018, 06:23:38 AM »

A lot of guys started out with the Sears 106cc Allstate... and it was a Gilera, I believe. Great demand for them now, from re-lived youth. My drag racing motorcycle buddy has an immaculate black Sears 106, he loves it, as it was the 1st bike he ever rode...
Charlie

Stev-o · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2018, 06:40:18 AM »

I had an Allstate when I was young, and yes, it was a 50cc Puch made in Austria.
Overall, it was a great moped, it had pedals to start it and had a two speed manual trans. It could be ridden with the motor off, but whats the fun in that?!

Yamahawk · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2018, 08:24:04 AM »

Yep, Puch made all the 50cc models, and Vespa made the really early ones in the '50's and early '60's up till about 1965. Gilera made their 106cc and 125cc versions in 1967 and 68. They ran pretty good for their size and that era!
Charlie

seanbarney41 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2018, 09:31:40 AM »

Italian ones were benelli

strynboen · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2018, 09:45:13 AM »

puch is just good kvality..and a good preis....kreidler iss a bit better but costs 10#######

denmark vas a great marked for puch.from the erly 50 to 1972 they vas abaut 90% of the marked..denmark took over 20%of the total made puch in some years.. so small contry it vas a great number...from 1973 Yamaha fs1 came and vas fast eating up on the puch dominans..and in the 1980 it faded aut..and mopeds vas almost gone for 20 years..but now they are komming fast back..derbi senta and lifan dax copies..and veteran puch is modern...sp my skills is arsked Again after 20 years have been almost alone vith my moped hobby..mu nabo vas peder jensen he var autiriced puch dealer..after he vas dead..i got all his vork books and data fro puch..mopeds and bycykels and scoters..they build a lot different modells

Yamahawk · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2018, 09:52:19 AM »

Quote from: seanbarney41 on February 08, 2018, 09:31:40 AM

Italian ones were benelli

Not sure if Benelli ever made a Sears, although they may have made a Montgomery Wards or JC Penney...
http://searsallstateriders.com
Charlie

rocket johnny · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2018, 09:55:03 AM »

in 8th grade i paid 10 bucks for a 1963 allstate compact. a 350# scooter with a 59 cc 2 stroke engine and a 3 spd . at the time i thought it was cool . sold it for 50 bucks when i bought a 69 honda cl 90 fun times !

MikeSimon · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2018, 10:37:00 AM »

I think one of the Italian manufacturers was "Garelli", not Gilera

Don R · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2018, 12:22:53 PM »

I tried to play stump the bike guy with my brother, a friend had a little old Japanese bike that looked like a tiny bmw in his bar as a decoration. I took him in the back and said OK smart guy what's that? He says oh look, they got a Lilac!
Of curse he owned one when he was in Japan in the early 60's.
He said there were Kawasaki's that looked like Harleys and a lot of clone type bikes like the Lilac. One of his friends went to Germany and could ship home a certain size box. A bike wouldn't fit in it so he sawed a BMW in half and packed it in two boxes to send home. He never found out if it got welded back together. Apparently the Navy guys had better luck bringing bikes back than the air force guys.

Yamahawk · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2018, 12:43:53 PM »

Quote from: MikeSimon on February 08, 2018, 10:37:00 AM

I think one of the Italian manufacturers was "Garelli", not Gilera

Actually, they are both Italian bikes, Gilera merged with Piaggio back in the late '60's. Garelli is an Italian manufacturer also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garelli_Motorcycles
But, Garelli didn't make any bikes for Sears, at least to my knowledge.

Charlie

MikeSimon · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2018, 01:44:14 PM »

Quote from: Yamahawk on February 08, 2018, 12:43:53 PM

Quote from: MikeSimon on February 08, 2018, 10:37:00 AM
I think one of the Italian manufacturers was "Garelli", not Gilera

Actually, they are both Italian bikes, Gilera merged with Piaggio back in the late '60's. Garelli is an Italian manufacturer also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garelli_Motorcycles
But, Garelli didn't make any bikes for Sears, at least to my knowledge.

Charlie

Yes, Charlie, they are both Italian bikes. I was of the opinion that Sears sold Garellis, not Gileras.

Stev-o · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2018, 02:25:13 PM »

Quote from: strynboen on February 08, 2018, 09:45:13 AM

puch is just good kvality..and a good preis....kreidler iss a bit better but costs 10#######

Here's my current '66 Puch [Puke!], is not an Allstate.
Bought it for my daughter from a hipster in Downtown Austin for $400. All original, except seat cover, runs great but the motor is loud, crank bearings going out?
Will not be getting a rebuild for that...

754 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2018, 06:16:00 PM »

The first Sears were made in America, they used a Spacke motor I think..
They were probably all done before 1920..

strynboen · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2018, 03:06:22 AM »

i have just endet rebuild a puch
..bo-17 bearings is still avaibel..and all engine parts can be faund re made new..not all in good kvality..but most is fine.
if it rumbels by pulling the clutch..its just the pull bearing in the clutch housing..not a big deal to thange that. you.can get a new one

the crank main bearing need to be chimsed up..so a bearing puller for open bearings (inner ring) is needet for the job..like to have 0,02mm movent in aksial direktion..or a bit less

MikeSimon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2018, 05:12:50 AM »

Your mind sometimes plays these tricks on you....
I clearly remember a large department-/catalog mail order store sold Garellis. Only it wasn't Sears, it was Neckermann, way back when I still lived in Germany!

ekpent · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2018, 06:30:52 AM »

You could get a Suzuki or Harley if Mommy saved enough To Value Stamps

This catalog is from 1968. Or maybe a even a car if you were a real good boy !!

Yamahawk · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2018, 10:18:04 AM »

WOW... only 925 books of stamps for a 1968 Camaro convertible.. very cool!
Charlie

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