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Of old motorcycle magazines, and stuff...
« on: January 30, 2007, 12:24:01 PM »
As I've mentioned before in these hallowed pages I get a kick out of reading (and re-reading) motorcycle magazines from my early days of riding. It's great finding copies of magazines, the originals of which are now long gone because they were so thumb worn, dog eared and falling apart that they disintegrated with time. Thanks to the wonders (?) of eBay.

Anyhoo here I am reading a copy of Cycle, dated May 1972. The then editor, Cook Neilson, in his editorial, writes 'Random Thoughts About Noise'. These were the early days of the intervention of the EPA and various State Gestapo departments, and Neilson writes about Bultaco being told that they cannot sell any of their '72 lineup in California because they are too noisy.

What caught my eye at the end of the piece is a comment about the loudness, even then, of some street motorcycles. He goes on to note that in each rider there is a degree of 'rebel', regardless of the type of machine being ridden, but ends (quote):

Is that what being a rebel is all about --- pissing off the neighbours, knowing that when we buzz on by his dog barks and his baby wakes up and he can't hear his TV for a little while? Knowing that he resents the intrusion our motorcycle makes on whatever he's doing or whatever he's thinking? But at the same time knowing that he was aware that we were there? That we had gotten a rise, however small, out of a guy who'd never look twice if we dipped past on roller skates or in a Corvair station wagon? If that's wherr it is -- if that's what being a closet-rebel and motorcyclist is all about -- then we're doomed, and the industry is doomed, and the sport of motorcycling is doomed, and heaven help us.

Hmmmm! Seems like nothing changes.
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Re: Of old motorcycle magazines, and stuff...
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 01:31:45 PM »
Hey! Dont wake my baby... kid barely sleeps the way it is... All fun and game tell you have a kid and understand that pain. Other then that make all the noise you want.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 03:44:41 PM »
And speaking of that particular issue of Cycle, there is an article in it 'Pipes Galore for the Honda 750' written by Jess Thomas, evaluating all of the then-available aftermarket exhaust options.

So what they did was to compare stock with pipes from Jardine, Triple A, Action Fours, Race Crafters and Dunstall in the categories: standing 1/4 mile time, standing start trap speed, sound and price. It's an interesting piece which shows the advantages in having a freer breathing exhaust in terms of 1/4 mile times and speeds, at the expense of being noiser.

Of note is the philosophy change from then to now: to quote the final paragraph....

The most fulfilling aspect of the Honda Four for most owners is that the bike responds so well to being thrashed really soundly -- and the machine, thanks to its efficient muffling, offends few people when the engine is being twisted hard. If you own a Honda 750, and you're willing to trade off relative silence for increased performance, and you're willing to court a traffic summons in a lot of places, and you're willing to ignore the racket because street-racing or bench-racing or some other kind of show is your compensating trick; then you have a wide choice of buying modern-day blooie-pipes. But Cycle's advice to saner heads is simple: unless you engage in active off-street competition with your CB-750, don't bother.

What a difference 34 years makes....now the repli-racer mags fall over themselves to recommend aftermarket hop-up stuff...

Anyhoo, if anyone out there would like the article (the original, as removed from the mag) send me a PM with your address and I'll mail it to you. First come first served.
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Re: Of old motorcycle magazines, and stuff...
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 03:52:58 PM »
I'd love to see the story and pics on the exhaust comparison, can you post a pic or 2? And does the Action Fours pipe look like this? I've been looking for one of those pipes for a while.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2007, 03:57:56 PM »
I'd love to see the story and pics on the exhaust comparison, can you post a pic or 2? And does the Action Fours pipe look like this? I've been looking for one of those pipes for a while.


The Action Fours pipe in the article is all chrome with the header pipes being separate all the way back underneath the motor to the muffler, which looks like a shorter, stubbier version of the old Brit-bike hot dog shape.

Sorry, I don't have a scanner available to post pics.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2007, 04:05:16 PM »
PS. To forestall the inevitable questions, here are the results:

Pipe        S/S 1/4 mile time          S/S 1/4 mile speed          Loudness

Stock             13.745secs                96.98mph               83.5 decibels
Jardine           13.146                      100.89                   94.3
Triple A          13.335                       99.44                    88.5
Action Fours    13.380                      99.11                    91.5
Race-Crafters   13.265                      100.33                    93.0
Dunstall          13.439                      98.68                      92.8
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 04:07:26 PM »
I'm also an eBay addict for collecting the magazines I have long lost. Real blast to see them go on about 13 second quarter mile times and the rest. However, I seem to be stuck in those days as the bikes there are much more relavant to me than any of today's offerings. ;D

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2007, 04:16:00 PM »
I'm also an eBay addict for collecting the magazines I have long lost. Real blast to see them go on about 13 second quarter mile times and the rest. However, I seem to be stuck in those days as the bikes there are much more relavant to me than any of today's offerings. ;D

I'm with you. Don't feel bad about being 'stuck in those days'....they were the good old days after all!!

NOTE: the article has been snapped up already.
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Re: Of old motorcycle magazines, and stuff...
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2007, 08:22:25 PM »
PS. To forestall the inevitable questions, here are the results:

Pipe        S/S 1/4 mile time          S/S 1/4 mile speed          Loudness

Stock             13.745secs                96.98mph               83.5 decibels
Jardine           13.146                      100.89                   94.3
Triple A          13.335                       99.44                    88.5
Action Fours    13.380                      99.11                    91.5
Race-Crafters   13.265                      100.33                    93.0
Dunstall          13.439                      98.68                      92.8
Out of curiousity, how much $$$ do you think Jardine payed the magazine to be published as both the loudest AND fastest after market pipe? LOL :D
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