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Offline Hotwheelbill

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My new used ported head.
« on: March 21, 2018, 03:38:32 PM »
Looking for some help to decipher the head. Can anyone guess to the size of the valves? How can I tell what heavy duty springs art on it? What do these numbers on the head mean?
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 06:17:42 PM »
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 04:45:15 AM »
Measure the diameters of the valves.
Is a number like 410 visible on the head? other numbers are 392, 300 on the top flange between in 2-3
Standard old K heads had IN:32mm , EX: 28mm.

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Old K6 head with 34mm in, 28mm EX. Chambers were widened when ported. This was how it was done for many years ago for the bigger bores. Here for 836.

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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 06:33:43 AM »
OK. I see the 300 mark and valves are stock size. I had to go back in text and see the valves are SS and built for a 1050 motor so I would think springs are HD.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 05:34:31 PM »
OK. I see the 300 mark and valves are stock size. I had to go back in text and see the valves are SS and built for a 1050 motor so I would think springs are HD.
Those valves dont look stock IMO but it could just be the picture.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 05:59:52 PM »
Those valves appear to be the ones sold back in the 1990s, with the 30-degree faces. Maybe pull one out and take a peek? The contemporary thought in those days was that the shallower valve face angle increased breathing earlier during the intake stroke and reduced exhaust stroke pressures for the same reason. In this particular engine, this only works if the bores are increased to at least 64mm (825cc) and the head relieved accordingly, otherwise the intake valves are too shrouded along the cylinder wall. This item, BTW, is why the better head gaskets out there (like the Honda or Cometic) have an irregular shape (not round), flaring a bit around the edge of the intake valves: it deshrouds them slightly. You can also add a bit more yourself into the cylinder wall near those valves, just be careful to only go down as far as the top ring's upper reach, or it will lose compression in the trade.

The springs appear to be stock pre-K3 type, although it's hard to tell if they are the round-lipped keepers or the square-lipped ones: for my $$, I always use the latter as they don't have the history of pulling through their grooves, dropping a valve at an inopportune moment. The post-K3 springs are tapered and have lower seat pressures, but they also have a lower redline rating because of it. The early springs (with stock valves) could manage 10,500 RPM with stock cams, while the later ones run out of clearance around 9200 RPM.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 09:02:12 PM »
 Dang Pewe, they didn't leave any excess metal in those ports.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 10:24:18 PM »
Dang Pewe, they didn't leave any excess metal in those ports.
I asked if he could carve some more last time the shop had the head :)  I saw some metal closer to the seats. The head has got another refurbish after those photos where 5mm valves went in. A little bit more carved around the seats, probably to match the guide replacement.
The job was done 1983, the ideas about porting might have been changed since then. Same guy did the job above 2014 cutting seats damaged by long time storage (pitting), replace some valves. Again 2016 when new valves went in.

Head had F2 34mm inlet valves with shorter stems, tips mushroomed very quickly. Lash caps made it better. Kibblewhite 5mm kit has hopefully not that problem.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2018, 05:57:06 AM »
Those numbers are from the factory. There is a lot of guide missing in that port.....a bad idea as the valve benefits from stability. I put the guides in a lathe and taper them.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2018, 01:54:34 PM »
Obvious detail I totally missed.
New guides with seat cut needed. Time to leave the head at a pro who knows what and how to do.
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Re: My new used ported head.
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2018, 05:22:57 PM »
Rebuild it with fresh valves, guides and a valve job. If the intake valves are 32mm get 33.5's, bore the seats and do guides and valve job. I'd throw in new springs....they are really short money. That head is a good start but not well executed in terms of the details. Cutting all the interior guide away on a large angle engine is B..A..D
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