Author Topic: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration  (Read 1804 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline jeffthompson55

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« on: March 17, 2018, 05:19:50 PM »
So about a week ago, I replaced the spark plugs, cleaned the carbs, and replaced the seals and gaskets because I had a small leak from the float bowl on one of the carbs. After I finished, I did an audible tune (no vacuum lines, just tried to dial it in by ear temporarily) and it ran great. Come a week later, when I hit highway speeds or pull the throttle more than 1/2-3/4 it feels like one of the cylinders is misfiring. It will still run and pull, but at about 75% ish of the normal power which really affects how fast I accelerate. All of my plugs are gapped to about .26mm, and it ran fine before this, just a bit rich. Now I'm not sure where to go from here. Should i pull the carbs out again and replace all the jets as well? Help me I just want to ride

Offline Paintedseat

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 276
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 05:36:47 PM »
Did you sync

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,041
  • I refuse...
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 02:57:47 AM »
It sounds to me as though your fuel level is a bit low in the bowl, and thus as you crank up the motor under sustained load, you're starving it for gas. Establish the actual fuel height using the Clear Tube method to verify it, do not rely on setting the floats by measurement.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline Yamahawk

  • IGOR!Come here IGOR! ...Yesss
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,678
  • 1971 Honda CB750 Four K1
    • Kingdom Run Biker Church and Outreach
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 03:07:36 AM »
A fluid level is an old way of checking not only fuel levels, but a level of two objects that are separated by some distance, too. I have used clear hose filled with water to level large piping for steam lines in a boiler house, (32" hot reheat) to get the piping at the same height. It works amazingly accurately. Same principle as the float level check Cal is showing you here. This was before laser levels were widely available...
Charlie
1971 CB750K1 (newest bike), 1996 Royal Enfield 500 Bullet (therapy bike), 1981 Yamaha XV920RH, 2006 Kawasaki Concours (retirement bike), 1975 Yamaha RD350 (race bike), 1989 Honda VTR250 Interceptor (race bike), 1986 Kawasaki EX250 Ninja (race bike in progress), 1985 Honda Elite CH250, 1973 Yamaha GT1 80cc, 1974 Yamaha DT360 project bike.

The Only Thing Necessary for Evil to Triumph, is for Good Men to do Nothing.
Edmund Burke

All Things work together for good, for those who love God and are the Called according to His purpose.
Romans 8:28

Though He slay me, Yet will I trust Him...
Job 13:15
will you trust Him...?

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,041
  • I refuse...
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 03:10:15 AM »
A fluid level is an old way of checking not only fuel levels, but a level of two objects that are separated by some distance, too. I have used clear hose filled with water to level large piping for steam lines in a boiler house, (32" hot reheat) to get the piping at the same height. It works amazingly accurately. Same principle as the float level check Cal is showing you here. This was before laser levels were widely available...
Charlie
First used by the Egyptians. Long before Sochiro ever became a scratch in the crotch.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline Yamahawk

  • IGOR!Come here IGOR! ...Yesss
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,678
  • 1971 Honda CB750 Four K1
    • Kingdom Run Biker Church and Outreach
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2018, 03:11:35 AM »
A fluid level is an old way of checking not only fuel levels, but a level of two objects that are separated by some distance, too. I have used clear hose filled with water to level large piping for steam lines in a boiler house, (32" hot reheat) to get the piping at the same height. It works amazingly accurately. Same principle as the float level check Cal is showing you here. This was before laser levels were widely available...
Charlie
First used by the Egyptians. Long before Sochiro ever became a scratch in the crotch.

:) Yep
Charlie
1971 CB750K1 (newest bike), 1996 Royal Enfield 500 Bullet (therapy bike), 1981 Yamaha XV920RH, 2006 Kawasaki Concours (retirement bike), 1975 Yamaha RD350 (race bike), 1989 Honda VTR250 Interceptor (race bike), 1986 Kawasaki EX250 Ninja (race bike in progress), 1985 Honda Elite CH250, 1973 Yamaha GT1 80cc, 1974 Yamaha DT360 project bike.

The Only Thing Necessary for Evil to Triumph, is for Good Men to do Nothing.
Edmund Burke

All Things work together for good, for those who love God and are the Called according to His purpose.
Romans 8:28

Though He slay me, Yet will I trust Him...
Job 13:15
will you trust Him...?

Offline PeWe

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,575
  • Bike almost back to the 70's 2015
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2018, 04:03:04 AM »
Very sudden and abrupt misfires? Can be ignition like a loose/bad ignition wire, bad points.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

Offline Paintedseat

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 276
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2018, 07:26:42 AM »
I would sync first

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,041
  • I refuse...
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2018, 07:52:09 AM »
I would sync first
What’s the point of synchronizing your carbs if the fuel level isn’t verified? No external adjustments will overcome improper fuel availability.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline Paintedseat

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 276
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2018, 08:02:01 AM »
Because I don't think float level is the issue. He did an "audible" tune after having the carbs apart. Main clue is that he is twisting the throttle 1/2 to 3/4 it starts missing. I doubt that is enough to empty the bowls. Sounds like a sync issue to me.

Offline Paintedseat

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 276
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 08:03:58 AM »
Calj737 how do you like that M unit?

Offline 2wheels

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 511
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 08:48:47 AM »
That happens when the points gap needs adjustment.
1970 CB750 K0 (I can't believe I tossed my duck tail seat in the trash 30 years ago)

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,041
  • I refuse...
Re: CB750k 78 misfiring on hard acceleration
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2018, 09:15:40 AM »
Calj737 how do you like that M unit?
I like them very much.

As to the carb issues, moving the throttle up the needle taper creates additional need for fuel as the vacuum increases, not something normally attributed to a synch. Who knows, until he verifies his fuel level...
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis