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Offline JonathanHValencia

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Raw Steel Pipes
« on: April 09, 2018, 11:45:42 AM »
Hey guys,

I have some raw steel pipes on my cb. I’m gonna wrap them, but to prevent rusting, is there anything you pros recommend?

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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 11:48:45 AM »
Paint..I wrap mine with paint.,
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2018, 12:02:32 PM »
Paint. Wrap is idiotic and serves no purpose on a motorcycle. It also holds moisture against the pipes causing rust. Paint at a minimum or ceramic coating if you want them to really last.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2018, 02:04:02 PM »
Wrap is of no use. Find a high temp paint and give it a few coats. You can coat the inside with oil which will burn off an leave a crust that resists moisture and acids.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 02:27:11 PM »
Brownell's Gunsmithing catalogue has some products that might be pretty cool, you could Parkerize them or Blue them, I blued a set of expansion chambers ones, nice looking gunmetal look hehe... I think they should be polished first, then blued ;)
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2018, 02:53:35 PM »
Hate to say it but I think/hope wrap is on its way out..l its run its course.
 I must say tho, it suited J Wildes  thoughts and behavior. .
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 03:15:57 PM »
 Woah, Frank used the Wilde card! 
  Eastwood has some stainless steel exhaust paint. They even have a can with an 18" hose nozzle that will paint the insides to repel heat. It cooks on and does a nice job. I did the cast iron manifolds on my 40 chevy around 40 years ago and it still isn't burned off, although it isn't very silver anymore. It would work under wrap but my experience is you won't like wrap in the long run. That said, it's your bike so go for it.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2018, 03:36:22 PM »
Hey guys,

I have some raw steel pipes on my cb. I’m gonna wrap them, but to prevent rusting, is there anything you pros recommend?

Raw steel? Regular steel and not stainless? You can use a high temp clear coat, which will provide some level of protection. But be prepared to remove the wrap every couple of years at least to clean up the steel and recoat.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2018, 03:46:02 PM »
Wrap is for people wanting to hide their jenky ratty pipes - IMO.  Paint or, if you can spring for it, ceramic coat them.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2018, 04:37:57 PM »
I think wrap can look good on the proper project. If you’re going to wrap, definitely paint or ceramic coat first. If you want to wrap, go for it, it’s your bike and your preference.

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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 05:41:54 AM »
I haven't found any HT paint that survives on headers. Ceramic coating is great but expensive. Chrome is an option but very expensive if done right - used pipes are rarely accepted for chroming and the cost for them is astronomical if you can even find a place that will do them. Pollution regulations have shut down most chrome shops, to follow the regulations costs a bundle and that goes into the price of work from the remaining ones.
Wrap looks like sh1te as a rule: there are bikes that it looks good on but they're few and far between, the wrap was expertly applied with perfect overlap and invisible retention. And none of them are SOHC4s - the 4-4 ones look like someone's hiding rusted out pipes and there's just no way to wrap a 4-2 or 4-1 header that doesn't look like ass.
My personal bike's headers (ancient Kerker 4-1) are, after many failed HT paint efforts burned off (I used to fall for the marketing BS), just bare steel. They rust to dark red if the bike is left in the rain but turn to very dark brown once up to running temperature. After 10+ years of this they are still mechanically sound.
Corrosion is a weird beast. Paint and particularly chrome can accelerate corrosion: once there's any damage the tiny area of exposed steel will be rapidly attacked... with chrome, the electrochemical potential between the chrome and steel causes extreme corrosion of exposed steel - this is why cheap chrome plating goes spidery then flakes off rather quickly. Really good chrome is very expensive and needs thick layers of different metal plating before the top chromium layer mostly for mechanical protection so a ding that cracks the very brittle chromium layer doesn't expose bare steel. Honda, to their credit, did exceptionally good chroming on their headers and often used double tubes to reduce surface temperature. Aftermarket headers, not so great.

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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 06:05:19 AM »
i too have used the eastwood paint and have had very good luck with it .  painted the exhaust manifolds on my 56 ford about 25 yrs ago and they still look good . was about 20 bucks for a pint , but it goes a long way .

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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 07:44:31 AM »
I'm surprised how many people here paint their headers. There's nothing wrong with it, but the Delkevic pipes are cheap and stainless...

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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 09:20:04 AM »
Ceramic coating isn't that expensive, under $200 the last time I checked.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 09:47:18 AM »
I haven't found any HT paint that survives on headers. Ceramic coating is great but expensive. Chrome is an option but very expensive if done right - used pipes are rarely accepted for chroming and the cost for them is astronomical if you can even find a place that will do them. Pollution regulations have shut down most chrome shops, to follow the regulations costs a bundle and that goes into the price of work from the remaining ones.
Wrap looks like sh1te as a rule: there are bikes that it looks good on but they're few and far between, the wrap was expertly applied with perfect overlap and invisible retention. And none of them are SOHC4s - the 4-4 ones look like someone's hiding rusted out pipes and there's just no way to wrap a 4-2 or 4-1 header that doesn't look like ass.
My personal bike's headers (ancient Kerker 4-1) are, after many failed HT paint efforts burned off (I used to fall for the marketing BS), just bare steel. They rust to dark red if the bike is left in the rain but turn to very dark brown once up to running temperature. After 10+ years of this they are still mechanically sound.
Corrosion is a weird beast. Paint and particularly chrome can accelerate corrosion: once there's any damage the tiny area of exposed steel will be rapidly attacked... with chrome, the electrochemical potential between the chrome and steel causes extreme corrosion of exposed steel - this is why cheap chrome plating goes spidery then flakes off rather quickly. Really good chrome is very expensive and needs thick layers of different metal plating before the top chromium layer mostly for mechanical protection so a ding that cracks the very brittle chromium layer doesn't expose bare steel. Honda, to their credit, did exceptionally good chroming on their headers and often used double tubes to reduce surface temperature. Aftermarket headers, not so great.

Gunsmiths call this 'Browning', it is a controlled rust blueing, and looks vintage on a percussion rifle. Also on pipes lol...
Ceramic coating isn't that expensive, under $200 the last time I checked.
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I'm surprised how many people here paint their headers. There's nothing wrong with it, but the Delkevic pipes are cheap and stainless...

A new set of Delkovik 304 stainless headers is $260... unless I was emotionally attached to the raw steel pipes I had, my choice would be for a new 304 stainless header that wouldn't rust... ever.
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2018, 02:33:06 PM »
Raw????   Cook those pipes after you paint em!!!
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Re: Raw Steel Pipes
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2018, 06:43:16 PM »
Wow!  Just great to read the posts here LOL.  I agree with most..so nothing new to add.  just felt like chiming-in here.

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