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Offline Coredozer19

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Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« on: June 13, 2018, 04:43:55 PM »
I recently purchased a points and condenser kit from 4into1.com. The condensers I got had a green wire and were a little bigger then the OEM on the bike. I almost couldn’t screw them in. Some replacements I see have a blue wire like the oem. And they look a little smaller. But yet they both are advertised for the 1973 CB350f.

Am I being crazy? I think no because there is a size difference.

What’s going on here?
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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 04:54:24 PM »
Doesn't matter on color of the condenser wires as long as it works up as it should.  Different brands.may use different gauge wire.


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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2018, 04:43:54 AM »
Doesn’t matter, but know that aftermarket condensers, plates and points are generally garbage compared to OEM. Especially Daiichi which have a three pointed flower as their logo. If your condensers are still good I’d recommend using those, or at least hold on to them in case these sh!t the bed.

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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2018, 06:01:45 AM »
The one condenser for 2,3 has started to explode. And I have no visible spark on the breaker points...
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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2018, 07:07:23 AM »
Check your static timing and points gap.


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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2018, 08:12:39 AM »
The one condenser for 2,3 has started to explode. And I have no visible spark on the breaker points...
Do you mean to say it is swelling with use?  If so, that is likely a faulty component.

No spark at points can mean the coil isn't building/ storing enough energy.   Perhaps due to the condenser increasing in internal resistance.

If you have an ohmmeter, you can place a probe on the body and one on the lead (component out of circuit).  The reading should initially surge (capacitor charging) then subside to zero as it reaches full storage potential.    Each time you reverse the test leads, the surge/ behavior should repeat.  This will allow you to observe the capacitor action,  but not give you a capacitance value.  For that you need a capacitance meter, which is not a common household device.
Analog meters inject higher voltage into the test device, and the needle's inertia helps to visualize.  But, digital meters can be used also if the specific design allows.  Sometimes you need to select the diode test function, as that uses higher voltage for the test. It shows as a reading jump with a taper down to zero.  The higher the capacitance the slower the reading change.

However, a bulging component is not usually a good sign.  Did you have a functional reason to replace the old ones?    Do symptoms change if you put the old ones back in?

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Re: Does wire Color and size matter. Opinions please
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2018, 11:46:11 AM »
The old ones were 38 years old. I was told condensers loose resistance over long periods of time
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 01:23:33 PM »
The old ones were 38 years old. I was told condensers loose resistance over long periods of time

Age alone doesn't necessarily make them bad.  I have some originals that are still serviceable.  High quality when new, I'd bet.  I've also bought brand new components that were bad.

Er, they aren't supposed to have any significant resistance, but they can if the plate insulation materials break down.  Condensers are another name for capacitors.  Capacitance can degrade with time for some types/construction of capacitor.  Some actually work better with consistent use.  They have a "forming" factor that responds to voltage application.

Risky making assumptions about electrical parts.  They can look fine and test bad, and they can look bad and test good.  Hatchet marks are usually a suspicious indicator, though.  ;D

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