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E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« on: June 28, 2018, 07:48:54 AM »
Let me apologize in advance.  I've created build threads in the past (CX500, HawkGT forums) and they always became more of "this is what I did" over "this is what I'm doing".  I'm going to try to correct that this time around, although there is just soooo much information available in this forum, many of my questions can be (and have been) answered with a simple search. 

I introduced myself a while back:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,172645.0.html 

So this is where I'm at:  Two 1977 CB550's.  Got them as a pair, one is really nice condition (I'll call her the "stocker") and one that is definitely a project.  My vision for the project is that of a bit of a Brute.  I've never named my builds in the past, but this time, well, maybe.

So I may bounce around a bit in this thread as I work on both bikes (and my never ending Hawk build).  My plan is to sort through a few oil leaks in the stocker and sell her to fund the Brute.  She's in very good condition with 15K miles.  What appear to be original OEM exhaust with no severe rust.  The bike starts with a simple push of the starter button.  Like most, she's a bit noisy until she warms up, but idles like a champ.  She's a resto project looking for a good home.

So far I have replaced the shifter seal, oil pan gasket and cam cover O-rings.  I was shocked at all the oil that had collected under the cover and surprised to see what appeared to be a new (or recently cleaned) oil pump.  She's all clean and buttoned up now.  Awaiting the arrival of an oil filter and to complete those tasks. 

Now for my first question:  After draining all the oil and removing the oil pan, will I need to perform some sort of oil pump prime?  Just want to make sure that she doesn't go thru some sort of vacuum lock instead of pushing oil.  Simply place the run switch to the off position until the oil pressure light goes out?  Inquiring minds need to know.

Next up is replacing the fork seals and fork oil.  After I finish those tasks, it'll be time for cam chain and valve adjustment.  Then a good bath, some wax and a For Sale sign. 

Now about the Brute:

When I purchased the bikes (sight unseen, on line) the owner included video clips of both bikes.  Of course the stocker started with no problem, but the Brute didn't have a battery and the air box was off (open carbs).  He placed it on a charger, gave her a kick and she burped to life.  So she wasn't locked up and did run.  The steering bearings are a total loss, if you want her to go straight, no problem.  Turning it from the central notch was another matter.  No biggie, I have plans for the front end.

I spent an evening stripping her down to the bare essentials.  Trying to remove the side engine cover bolts proved to be a lesson in futility.  I tried soaking in PB Blaster, heat from a torch, impact driver, you name it.  Ultimately I drilled out about a dozen bolt heads.  My plan includes replacing with stainless hardware, so no great loss.  Wish I could afford the nice ARP 12-pt bolts some run, but it's just not in the (financial) cards.  Once the majority of the engine cover bolts had been removed, my buddy and I extricated the engine using the right side on the floor exit strategy. 

The engine isn't a big leaker (certainly not like the 'stocker'), but obviously there is some O-ring and gasket seepage so time for a top end refresh.  Interesting to note that as I was tearing her down, I found a paper towel in the intake runner between the carb and head on cylinder 2.  I'm curious to know if one of the PO's gave up on the build because he had carb tuning issues that may have resulted from the blocked intake?  Thankfully there was no evidence of the paper towel being ingested into the intake port.
 
I have the engine's top end currently torn down and working my way through the struggles of gasket removal.  I've tried various approaches from 3M adhesive remover, to Acrysol to soaking in Cimguard.  All resulted in limited success.  An online friend from the CX forum suggested the following:  "Most gaskets are impermeable to oils.  If you soak them with some water, it makes it easier to scrape off.  You could even try brushing on straight Simple Green".  Makes sense.  What do I have to lose?  Thoughts?

I hope to wire the finished project with an M-unit.  BUT, I have always been partial to the OEM switch controls. We did this on a CX500 and it came out really well. Once removed from the bike, the controls were disassembled, bead blasted and the castings were sent (along with a few engine components) to be Teflon coated.  Teflon is incredibly tough and will even stand up to brake fluid.  The parts came back from coating yesterday and we'll start the label painting process, soon.

I think that's enough to get everyone up to date on the Brute.  Thanks in advance for watching.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2018, 08:16:34 PM »
I have the engine's top end currently torn down and working my way through the struggles of gasket removal.  I've tried various approaches from 3M adhesive remover, to Acrysol to soaking in Cimguard.  All resulted in limited success.  An online friend from the CX forum suggested the following:  "Most gaskets are impermeable to oils.  If you soak them with some water, it makes it easier to scrape off.  You could even try brushing on straight Simple Green".  Makes sense.  What do I have to lose?  Thoughts?
A very easy solution is to drop the block and head to a machinist and have them mill/deck each surface for flatness, which will also immediately remove the gasket material. 2 Birds, 1 Stone.

I hope to wire the finished project with an M-unit.  BUT, I have always been partial to the OEM switch controls. Certainly easy enough to use the stock controls with an M-Unit, provided you understand the difference in how the M-Unit is triggered versus the stock harness. Stock, the controls pass switched power through them. With the M-Unit, the control is a GROUND trigger to the M-Unit. So all controls wires need a path to ground, not to power. Power only comes from the M-Unit directly to the component being activated.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2018, 02:41:55 PM »
Thanks @calj737.  Sending the pair to a machinist is an excellent idea.  Hopefully I can get some of the work done at our shop, but can you recommend someone with knowledge of the machines that may provide an easier route?

As far as the M-unit.  Yeah, I remember a lot of head scratching the last time we wired one in.  Just gotta take it slow, easy, work the problem, per se.  Or just ask you a boatload of questions!  ::)

After draining all the oil and removing the oil pan, will I need to perform some sort of oil pump prime?  Just want to make sure that she doesn't go thru some sort of vacuum lock instead of pushing oil.  Simply place the run switch to the off position until the oil pressure light goes out?  Inquiring minds need to know.

Got my oil ready to go, just want to make certain the pump is properly primed.  Anybody?

Disassembled the rocker cover today, went very well, don't know if I'll go with Teflon or just paint it.  Not that much real estate to cover, really, might just whip out the paint bomb...
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2018, 02:45:24 PM »
If you’re in need of a machine shop, there’s a really good shop here in Richmond, Ballos Precision Machine. Stuart and his crew are excellent, very familiar with these bikes, affordable and quick turnaround. If you need, ship those parts to me, I’ll get them to him, done and back to you.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 09:08:57 AM »
If you’re in need of a machine shop, there’s a really good shop here in Richmond, Ballos Precision Machine. Stuart and his crew are excellent, very familiar with these bikes, affordable and quick turnaround. If you need, ship those parts to me, I’ll get them to him, done and back to you.

Thanks @calj737, I’ll keep that in mind...

Switching gears back to the “stock” bike.  As mentioned earlier, I had replaced the shifter seal and oil pan gasket, but was still having a trickle of oil - w/o any oil in the crankcase!  WTF?  So I pulled the side cover again to find oil seeping out from behind the oil pump.  Having recently purchased one of @Elan 's oil pump rebuild kits (for the Project bike), I just decided to pull the pump and see what’s up.  You may notice in the overview pic, something is missing.  Seems whoever was in there last, forgot to include one of the two collars (part No. 6 on the ‘fische’) and the o-ring.  How did they expect this to seal?  Answer:  It didn’t.  So I disassembled the pump on the Project bike, borrowed a collar from it, replaced the seals, filled the crankcase, and cranked her up.  No more oil leaks.  But now I’m missing one of the collars and so far my search for a replacement has come up short.  Does anyone have a spare I might be able to purchase?  Or is there a supplier that might still carry? (I’ll continue to search for said part).  [EDIT:  I found one thru David Silvers Spares]

Hope everyone is having an enjoyable weekend.  Now I’m off to replace some fork seals...
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 06:38:11 AM »
On to another question that does not exactly pertain to this build, but I will be adding this component down the road and I know several of you are versed with the Motogadget m-lock.

I have one installed on my '88 GT647 Hawk in lieu of the standard keyed ignition.  I'm NOT running an m-unit, just a standard harness and controls.  It is mounted on the bracket fabricated to house a Trail Tech Vapor speedo unit.  So about the standard in front of the bars location.  So on hot days (I live in the heat and humidity of a suburb, north of Charlotte, NC) the system comes to life easily enough with the FOB.  It's turning it off that's the problem.  The issue surfaced again yesterday afternoon.  I used to think this was a "baking all day in the sun" issue, but the bike was in my garage all day (probably in excess of 95*) and after a quick start (maybe 10 seconds) I could not kill the ignition.  Took about 10-mins for it to finally switch off.

I've replaced the relay (housed in the headlight bucket) and still the same issue.  Not a life or death sitch, but a bit annoying when you have to wait around for the unit to shut down when you've reached your destination.  Definitely has to be thermal related as I've had no problems on lower temp days.  Has anyone had a similar experience? 

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 07:55:54 AM »
Is the sensor housed in a metal "surround"? It needs to be "surface mounted" because as I learned (a hard, expensive, and very frustrating lesson) the RFID sensor can't function reliably if obstructed on the edges of the sensor.

Maybe post a picture of how you have it mounted.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 08:09:26 AM »
Maybe post a picture of how you have it mounted.

Your wish is my command.  This pic was taken during fabrication.  The mounting bracket has been painted black and the Vapor unit was an old model used for mock-up/fabrication.  Subsequently replaced with a new, black version.  Not that any of that probably matters as this is virtually the setup that I currently run...

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 08:25:27 AM »
That “should” be fine. Perhaps a tad close to the bars in the bottom side, but there appears to be sufficient free space around it.

As a test, if you can unmount it and test it for ON/OFF to determine if it functions normally would be my process.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2018, 12:26:05 PM »
That “should” be fine. Perhaps a tad close to the bars in the bottom side, but there appears to be sufficient free space around it.

As a test, if you can unmount it and test it for ON/OFF to determine if it functions normally would be my process.

It works fine 350 days out of the year, just when the temps get crazy hot.  I seriously doubt I'm going to disassemble it at this time as there's a rat's nest of a gazillion wires in that headlight bucket.  And you know those Germans prefer to use wires from human hair, i'd hate to make the situation worse.  Besides, I have two CB550's that I need to concentrate on (although the newly fabricated Hawk exhaust is going to require a bit of jetting love).

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 04:53:36 AM »
So it's getting close to de-tab/fabrication time.  I've spent countless hours just staring at the bike (wife thinks I've blown a gasket) and exploring options in my head, regarding foot placement.  I like the Tarozzi rearsets, but contacted "Fast From The Past" who confirmed they are only for pre-1977 CB550's.  So I started looking at possible fabrication changes that I could make to the frame.  Could I utilize the passenger peg loop (after removing the rear peg boss) and mount a plate at that location with adjustable hole placement to allow me the most comfortable riding position?  Seems that a comfortable spot for me seemed to be with the arch of my foot just above the actuator spline of the rear brake.  But that gives me little working room between the hoop and the diagonal seat brace.  Knowing how the positioning on my Hawk was (before I got a set of peg mount adjusters), my right knee would give me fits.  Don't want to go down that road again.  So I think I'll probably pay a visit to Devon at Congito Moto for a set of these: 

https://cognitomoto.com/collections/rearsets/products/cb550-cb500-rearset-kit?variant=2952243249192

Devon is proud of his parts, so this will be a rather big piece of my "budget".  Has anyone mounted these?  Thoughts?

Before I even took possession of these bikes, I had already purchased parts.  02z06dave was having a fire sale on some parts and I picked up a set of 17-in Sun Rims mated to a Congito Moto front hub (GSXR) and a stock hubbed Sun rimmed rear wheel.  I slipped the rear wheel on last night and and it's obvious that I'm going to have to make some adjustments to the brake arm (rubbing the 150/70 Battlax tire).  So here is my question:  I'll be adding a tail loop and a few builds I have seen may have run into some clearance issues?  How much clearance do I need to give the rear tire through travel?  The technical specs say call out a rear travel of 3.1-inches.  I'm planning on running stock length rear shocks.  So would 4-inches be acceptable distance?  Inquiring minds need to know...

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 05:18:35 AM »
If you cut the stock seat rails after the tank, run those flat and straight, and have your hoop upswept after the shock mount, you’ll be fine with stock travel. Issue arises when the hoop closes within the radius of the tire with no clearance per bridged support for inner fender.
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2018, 08:11:20 AM »
Also, rear clearance should be less of a concern when running a 17" rear unless you shorten the shocks.

Devin's adapters will work fine.  That said, mock the bike up with type of bars, seat and tank which you are going to use, and ascertain where your footpegs should be located.  If necessary, you can have a mounting plate fabricated similar (but maybe less pretty) than Devin's.
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2018, 02:56:07 PM »
If you cut the stock seat rails after the tank, run those flat and straight, and have your hoop upswept after the shock mount, you’ll be fine with stock travel. Issue arises when the hoop closes within the radius of the tire with no clearance per bridged support for inner fender.

Also, rear clearance should be less of a concern when running a 17" rear unless you shorten the shocks.

Those were my thoughts as the tire diameter is about an inch less that the nasty OEM rear wheel that I removed.  Some decisions remain on exactly how we’ll approach the fabrication/modifications but probably something close to what Cal has suggested...

Devin's adapters will work fine.  That said, mock the bike up with type of bars, seat and tank which you are going to use, and ascertain where your footpegs should be located.  If necessary, you can have a mounting plate fabricated similar (but maybe less pretty) than Devin's.

Yeah, I have been bouncing back and forth on this.  I have access to a water jet and laser bridge, but going with the tried and true may be my best bet.  Riding position is important when you have the knees of a former catcher...
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM »
So I’ve been working on cleaning the base gasket off the cylinder.  Met with some decent, yet time consuming success.  Removing 41-year old (probably asbestos based) gaskets is a PITA.  Finally tried some Goof Off Pro Stripper (don’t tell my wife, she’s the jealous type) and this side is pretty close.  Following Cal’s earlier suggestion, I’ll probably just have the other side milled off when the mating surfaces are decked.

I’m pretty well certain this is a low mileage bike (the removed components appear to be in good condition, but haven’t been measured as of yet) and I really don’t want to split the cases.  Cleaning off the remainder of the base gasket presents a lot of issues.  In addition to working around the head studs, I’m concerned about debris falling into the crankcase.  Now, the million dollar question(s):  Should I remove the studs to clean and how do I keep debris from falling in?  If I remove the studs are they junk? 

These guys that say this is a Saturday project w/o removing the engine from the frame have never met my gaskets...

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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2018, 05:16:38 PM »
You can lift the cylinders off the pistons without removing the studs. You can then deal with the mating surface as you see fit. Upon reinstalling, you’ll just have to squeeze the rings and pistons back into the block. Plenty of good DIY tricks for that.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2018, 05:07:36 AM »
You can lift the cylinders off the pistons without removing the studs...

I probably wasn't very clear.  As you'll note in the images above and below, the cylinders are off.  My concern is working around the head studs to remove (scrape) the remaining base gasket material and keeping debris out of the crankcase.  The oil pan is off, so I can always squirt with brake clean to rinse it out, but I'm just worried an oil passage could ultimately get clogged and that would spell doom to the bearings, etc.

I was thinking of inflating balloons or rubber gloves around the con rods to prevent debris intrusion.  Although working with sharp objects, I seriously doubt this would work for long.  Paper towels aren't really cutting it.  These gaskets are some tough MF's...
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2018, 07:16:26 AM »
Wad up a bunch of aluminum foil and jam it in there. After, flush with diesel. Better than brake cleaner.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2018, 05:36:38 AM »
So I replaced the fork seals and washed/degreased the "stock" bike on Saturday.  The fluid removed from the forks was horrid with a bunch of schmutz.  I cleaned the internals thoroughly, bead blasted the lowers, replaced the seals and locks and re-installed.  I used ~200-ml/leg of ATF as I wasn't near a moto shop on Saturday for fork oil. 

The only casualty was the front brake, flat head, spring loaded, adjuster screw (follow that?) that was found to be broken at the slotted nut end of the bolt (the "adjuster" end).  Fortunately I had a replacement on the "project" bike so no biggie.  I ran a tap thru to chase the threads on the lower before re-installing.  However I will need to repair it (cut the end off, re-slot and chase it with a die) as I would like to have it for a later sale if possible.  I need to search the service manual on proper adjustment to the brake.  This is an entirely new set-up to me and I'll need to feel my way through it.  Seemed to be firm at the lever (in relative terms as I'm used to the dual stoppers on my Hawk and Viffer).

The bike has always started willingly, however this weekend, not so much. After cleaning and washing I had to jump start it.  The lead/acid battery was flat (remember I just recently took possession of these bikes and don't know any history), but it appears, visually, to be new.  At idle it was showing like 15.6 volts, jumping up to 16+ volts at around 2,500 RPM.  Seems to me that's going to cook the battery in short order at these voltages.  I can't recall the order of events, if I tried starting it before or after washing.  So possibly some corrosion issues on the terminal connectors?  Or has the regulator gone kaput?  I have a spare, again out of the "project" bike.  My plan is to clean all terminals under the side cover, add a dab of dielectric grease, swap the regulator and try again.  Any thoughts?

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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 05:06:13 AM »
Recap:  following washing on Saturday, she was reluctant to crank and I had to jump start her.  I put the battery on a tender for ~24 hours.  When I returned from work last night I read the following voltages (this is using the simple plug in voltmeter from Battery Tender):

Key off - 13.9V
Idle - 12.4V
2,000 RPM - 12.6V
3,000 RPM - 12.9 V
4,000 RPM - 13.3V

I didn't go higher as I was kinda stuck in the garage and it was a hot day.  Do these values appear to be proper?  I saw no more indication of 15 - 16+ volts as seen earlier.  Do you think this was an issue with possible water infiltration (although I tried not to get spray under the side covers)?  She starts up immediately with a push of the start button and idles properly.  Any thoughts?  Thanks...
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2018, 04:49:10 AM »
In the vein of trying to continue to move this project forward, it was Christmas in July as I got a call from my powder coater today...
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 06:55:09 AM »
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 04:52:15 AM »
So now that the stock bike was up and running properly, I put her on Craigslist and less than 24-hours later it was sold to a father/son duo that have plans of riding together.  Son to teach dad to ride the CB550.  Nice story, good people, glad it’s found a good home...
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2018, 05:58:18 AM »
So things have been moving along slowly, but steadily. 

A co-worker of mine has an old electric dryer from which he has removed the heating coils.  He took my tank, dumped in a handful of nuts, bolts, chain, etc and tumbled it in the pillow laden "tumbler".  Came out very clean.  It's currently full of vinegar for a few days before coating.

I want to go the Caswell route.  Is there enough product in the linked sealer to do a 550 tank?  I'd hate to come up short...

https://www.caswellplating.com/epoxy-gas-tank-sealer/caswell-epoxy-gas-tank-sealer-mini-kit-up-to-5-gal.html
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Re: E Tu Brute? 1977 CB550K Restomod
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2018, 07:26:44 AM »
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