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Offline Jessamine

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2018, 08:27:57 AM »
Very cool that you are riding it...I suggest a front fender at the least, better yet a fork brace, or both, before you start messing with the front suspension
Good call! Any recommendations? I've seen reference to aftermarket ones but haven't been able to find one searching.

My main issue with the front suspension seems to be that it's overly stiff and rebounds too hard; not sure a brace would help with that, though I know that would improve the handling in other ways.

I realized yesterday my rear shocks are Progressive Suspension brand, so I think it's possible the fork springs got changed out for that brand too-- and from what I've read, those run real stiff. I'm a lightweight rider, so I usually lighten springs if anything.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #126 on: November 13, 2018, 08:58:53 AM »
 It's not uncommon to add a spacer over the springs to tighten things up a bit, someone may have done that.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #127 on: November 13, 2018, 10:24:30 AM »
It's not uncommon to add a spacer over the springs to tighten things up a bit, someone may have done that.
Do those tend to be on top of the springs, right under the caps? Nothing there if so (already checked). Haven't pulled the springs and went digging in there yet though, if the spacers were installed beneath them.

Any guide out there on how to identify what type of springs (stock/aftermarket) I have?

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #128 on: November 13, 2018, 11:34:06 AM »
Just pull one up, see if coils are spaced even or tighter on one end.
 If you pull up till you see wet, slide a thin rod or screwdriver thru , springs let it drip off, avoid the mess.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #129 on: November 13, 2018, 02:32:27 PM »
 Yes, usually on the top. Progressive springs are wound tighter on one end, stock ones look the same all the way. Some of us will cut an inch off of a tired spring and add a PVC pipe shim to restore the spring rate.
  Get the weight off the front end first, and be ready when the cap threads off. It might be loaded and spring up. Those can be fun to get back in too.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2018, 11:25:16 PM »
Dug into the clutch today to try and solve the issues it was having with slipping. Was confounded by the special nut locking the basket into the bike, unfortunately, which was evidently overtorqued despite not having any of the finned retaining washer's tabs holding it in place. Using the prescribed hammer and chisel method to tap it loose yielded no results. I'll have to fabricate a socket to pull that before I'm able to access the plates themselves. In the meantime, though, I addressed some other issues...

It seems the cable tensioner at the cover wasn't seating properly and the part that should have been inset and spinning freely in the case was too large-- it rested just a millimeter inside the lip of the hole, and could skew sideways a little. I replaced that piece with a washer with an indent and a nut overtop, and those seem to fill the role alright. That piece may have been causing intermittent adjustment issues.

Springs all measured ~32.35mm, which should be within spec. I noticed that though they were all painted on one end with the same stuff used on the valve springs, half of them had the paint facing in and half facing out. I couldn't find proper orientation listed anywhere, so I took a guess and flipped them all so the paint was uniformly to the outside of the bike (as with the valve springs).

The outermost cork plate had a fair amount of old oil residue on the exposed (long, squared) tabs, so I figure there may be deposition throughout the pack which could contribute to slipping. I squirted some seafoam over the plates, and added some to the oil tank-- hopefully that will clean them up some until I can pull the clutch all the way apart.

Everything went back together fine, and the action at the lever felt a little kinder. Clutch sounded a little noisier when I fired up the bike, but it seems to drop into 1st gear easier with more slack in the cable. We'll see tomorrow if it's still slipping at high RPMs!

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #131 on: November 19, 2018, 04:05:37 AM »
You passed the test, lol.  Putting clutch back together without cracking the lifter plate  ;D
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #132 on: November 29, 2018, 09:57:23 PM »
 I see what you men on the cable end. It looks better now, hopefully it'll work better too. 
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2019, 10:26:09 AM »
So the good news is: I found that second cam sprocket knock bolt that disappeared.

The bad news is: I found that second cam sprocket knock bolt that disappeared.

As the kids these days say, "Press F to Pay Respects."

I'd just gotten everything else on the bike to where I was happy with it too. I was out on a very triumphant test ride when I suddenly lost power and the engine died with a sad little whirr.

I'm still tearing it down to assess damage, but it's not pretty. The valve cover has a hole from shrapnel, the cam, sprocket, and chain are obviously toast, and those valves I just redid are far more bent than they were the last time.

Anyone got a spare engine they wanna sell me?



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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2019, 01:17:46 PM »
Sorry for your loss, that's a damn shame after so much effort!
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2019, 02:22:35 PM »
Awwww, Dang. Fudge, but I didn't say fudge. 
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2019, 07:57:26 PM »
Can anyone tell me if there are fitment issues running a K engine in an F frame? Statistically it seems less likely I'd be able to find a running F engine than a K.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #137 on: January 25, 2019, 08:51:18 PM »
AFAIK, there are no fitment issues with a K0-K6 engine in an F0 or F1 frame. The K7-8 and F2-F3 engines have the drive sprocket mounted 10mm further out, requiring changes to the rear wheel sprocket carrier to get the correct chain alignment.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2019, 09:15:29 PM »
 Geez sorry to hear about your motor..
 I am thing most damage is head gasket and higher, maybe pistons, unless the bolt went thru sprocket on the crank.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #139 on: January 25, 2019, 09:32:24 PM »
As far as I can tell, there wasn't damage until it reached the head, but that's difficult to verify. My biggest concern at this point is the fifth of a cam sprocket and the piece of aluminum valve cover I couldn't locate; I don't want a repeat of this issue due to unaccounted-for metal fragments. I'm concerned it would be difficult to fish out that metal scrap without splitting the cases on the engine, which I don't currently have the tools for.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2019, 09:44:40 PM »
There is only 2 special tools for a 750 motor.plus an impact hand driver.
 Not sure right now about clutch, I think It can stay in. So if you remove point cover, clutch cover,  dyno and transmission cover.. then there is one piece under the transmission cover, with 4 screws needs removing.
 And your  top case bolts, then flip engine over, remove bottom case bolts, and cases care ready to split.
 Then you can check everything..

 I have split them in an evening, back together next day and in the bike.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2019, 03:18:02 AM »
Can anyone tell me if there are fitment issues running a K engine in an F frame? Statistically it seems less likely I'd be able to find a running F engine than a K.

My Red is K3 frame and 78SS engine.  With your skill you can combine any SOHC CB750 frame and engine.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2019, 11:29:38 AM »
This sucks given all the work you put into your bike.  As the others said, you can swap just about any SOHC750 into that frame.  The 69-76 motors will require the least amount of compatibility issues.
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #143 on: January 28, 2019, 07:55:20 AM »
Sorry to hear.   I'd look for a replacement engine, they can be found relatively cheap
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2019, 12:34:12 PM »
I have a spare used head complete. Probably cheaper than an entire engine.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #145 on: April 09, 2019, 06:47:18 AM »
Hey y'all! I have a work van now (an E350 I nabbed for $100 because it had a differential oil seal leak, lol), and a line on a couple local, complete engines out of running bikes. I have the option of a 1976 K for $150 that's 45 miles from me, or a 1972 K for $200 that's 85 miles from me. Thoughts on which I should spring for to get this bike back on the road? Super Sport engines comparatively uncommon, it seems.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #146 on: April 09, 2019, 08:39:18 AM »
Hey y'all! I have a work van now (an E350 I nabbed for $100 because it had a differential oil seal leak, lol), and a line on a couple local, complete engines out of running bikes. I have the option of a 1976 K for $150 that's 45 miles from me, or a 1972 K for $200 that's 85 miles from me. Thoughts on which I should spring for to get this bike back on the road? Super Sport engines comparatively uncommon, it seems.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #147 on: April 09, 2019, 09:59:19 AM »
K2 tends to be worth a bit more.
 Ask questions about chain damage .. and try to inspect that area , and fin damage.
 And check around lower edge of point cover for damage or repair.

Not so bad if those gave been fixed properly  what you don't want us cases welded together.
 rear motor mount above chainare sometimes welded, and the main bearing bolt bosses just past the point area  those areas take the hit in bikes that get written off.
 And the wurst , oilfilter thread damage m but that is quite rare.
And often you see mismatched top ends.           Good luck
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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #148 on: April 09, 2019, 01:11:05 PM »
I will say the 76 is painted black (and that paint is peeling) despite being a K engine. It is whole with the oil tank and everything else though, whereas the 72 is totally disconnected and also has no starter cover.

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Re: Ill-Advised Super Sport (CB750-F0)
« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2019, 05:33:48 PM »
Anyone have a 77 cb750f tank for sale?