Topic: question about cb77 rims

[bert96]

I want to buy new rims for my cb77 1965,i know Buchanan could make them,but i would like to pay less....

So,is there any cb77 expert here,who could tell me if this is a good choice.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rising-Sun-Silver-Aluminum-Rim-Set-Honda-CB77-Super-Hawk-305-1961-1968/183321929371

It seem to be hard to find rims that are  made for the cb77,some sellers have rims and claim, that they are made for cb77 but in fact they are made for cb350,cb450...


Any help is appreciate!

Bert

[Bodi]

Tough to say for sure. Alloy rims spoke nipple areas are a fairly thick metal, considerably thicker than steel rims. In my opinion it's important to have the spoke holes drilled at the correct angles to point the nipple directly at the hub holes for their spoke. This depends on lacing pattern and hub diameter.
Probably a rim drilled for a CB350 rear wheel (drum brake = large diameter hub) would be good for a CB77 front and rear (both drums) but a rim drilled for a disk brake - small hub - could misalign and stress the spokes.
Personally I would go with a really good wheel builder like Buchanan's in the USA (there are others in Europe and Britain, maybe in the USA too). Not the same price but rims I've seen from them are drilled correctly. They will also lace, true, and tension the wheel for you if you ship them the rim.

I have some very nice alloy rims that were predrilled for who-knows-what application with 36 spokes... the holes do not align with either my front or rear 400F hubs. Cheap, but a waste of what they cost. That's how I learned that a predrilled 36 spoke rim is not universal for all 36 spoke applications. Even steel ones should be correctly drilled.000000000

[Mr. Mike]

Bert,

You might want to flip over to the Honda 305 Forum and look up member LOUDMOUSE aka Ed Moore. This is one of those guys who’s been rebuilding the 305 bikes (and the 450 BB) for like ever.  I suggest you pm him with your question. I don’t know if a non member can access member information, but worth a try.

David Silver Spares has rear rims (not OEM, but OEM replacement rim) and spoke kits for your model. No listing for front rim.
$125 for the rim and $32 for the 36spoke kit.

[bert96]

I asked the question on honda305 and the answer for the link i posted  was "maybe" ....
I ordered multiple times at 4into1 and each time everything was perfect,that why i'm tempted to buy these wheels,its not a china seller....


Bert

[02z06dave]

Like you said, 4 into 1 is typically a good seller. However, it is a very cheap aftermarket product. In my experience, that means fitment issues. But, with a US seller, you could probably return them easily if they don't work out.

[bert96]

It was easier to find wheels and spokes for my S65.....


Bert

[jas67]

Maybe watch eBay for decent complete wheels.
I picked up a pair of nice-condition complete wheels for my one CB160 project for far less than it would cost for rims and spokes.

That said, if I were to build up new wheels for a CB77 or CB160, I'd want to go with flanged alloy rims, just because they look so cool.

[bert96]

I contacted central-wheel in UK for rims and spokes , after few emails,i  was ready to buy.They sent me an invoice.Everything
was ok...but at the bottom of the invoice,it was written cb77/cb360

So i asked if the wheels they wanted to sell me for my cb77 was the same they sell for the cb360. They said,they both have the same diameter ,and they have the same hub diameter. So, the answer is yes.
Now,what should i do....i'm really not sure i believe them.
Bert

[02z06dave]

I have a cl360 and a few cb77s. The front hub on cl360 is smaller than the cb77s. However, the cb360 may have had a bigger hub than the cl360 as that was a common thing they did. Only the 74 cb360 had a drum brake up front so youd have to find one to measure to be sure. Id be willing to bet that the cb360 hubs and cb77 hubs are the same size. Im sure if the company youre dealing with has it in their records that theyre the same, theyve probably dealt with both to know that.

[bert96]

"Im sure if the company youre dealing with has it in their records that they're the same, they've probably dealt with both to know that"


I would not take that as granted,at least,not with the sellers i contacted.Some sellers,just want to sell you their products,for the rest,they don't care....

Thats why i did not bought anything yet.

Bert

[CBJoe]

Was fighting this question for a long time....I am rebuilding a 65 CB77 as well...been collecting parts for a while for a build this winter.  I had originally found a rear rim at David Silver Spares...heres the link

You can get a rear rim here  https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB77-305/part_190423/

I never could find a front rim though....but I just checked again and they have them listed!  Expensive...but if correct then beats having stuff re-chromed

https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB77-305/part_333366/

[bert96]

I emailed them about their rims...and they told me "it fit on the cb360 too" so,i did not bought anythings from them....

If the rims from the cb77 is identical to the cb360 or any other small bikes from Honda,why then, they don't  have the same part number???


Where did you buy your spokes?

Bert

[RAFster122s]

Post a new thread asking for cb360 owner to measure front hub dimensions. Take some pics of yours  showing the dimensions you need ideally so they get the same measurements.

 Several parts get new numbers and sometimes the base code of the original model is maintained  but I have seen others that don't. No clue why they do that.

4 into1 or DSS both could take returns. The DSS US location if you can return there rather than UK you will have less $ in return shipping, provided you are in the US.

Ask on the 305 forum if others have dealt with that UK wheel seller you found.

[bert96]

There is no refund on shipping cost,and the shipping cost is very high for Canada,so,before i order anything,i'll make sure that i have the right parts.


I'm on the honda305 forum too,can't have a clear answer.

Bert

[CBJoe]

I emailed them about their rims...and they told me "it fit on the cb360 too" so,i did not bought anythings from them....

If the rims from the cb77 is identical to the cb360 or any other small bikes from Honda,why then, they don't  have the same part number???


Where did you buy your spokes?

Bert

We'll see...I ordered the Rim Last night.  I also emailed them to confirm if it is the correct front rim for a CB77 and here is there response.   I ordered spoke sets along with a ton of other parts from David Silver last year.  Everything is still in boxes.

When I get the RIM I'll Compare My original one to it and check the spoke angles

Hello Joe

Thank you for your e-mail. Your order has been confirmed today. Yes the front wheel rim you have ordered is correct for the CB77. This D.I.D rim is a replacement of the OEM which Honda did use.

Best regards

Matt

[CBJoe]

Post a new thread asking for cb360 owner to measure front hub dimensions. Take some pics of yours  showing the dimensions you need ideally so they get the same measurements.

 Several parts get new numbers and sometimes the base code of the original model is maintained  but I have seen others that don't. No clue why they do that.

4 into1 or DSS both could take returns. The DSS US location if you can return there rather than UK you will have less $ in return shipping, provided you are in the US.

Ask on the 305 forum if others have dealt with that UK wheel seller you found.

Funny enough I have both a CB77 and a 1976 CB360T in my garage.  I haven't measured but the hub dimensions i would guess are different because the 360T has a front disk.  So I think it's smaller and therefore the spoke angels would be different.  Not sure about the base model 360 that had a drum.

I'll compare all when I get the new RIM from DSS.

[bert96]

I'm talking cb360 with front drum brake

[754]

Cb and Cl 350 had drums except for 73 , the G model.
Bert get a hold  of Old Scrambler (dennis), ask him what he uses or works..

[bert96]

Pm sent to Old Scrambler.

Thanks Frank

Bert

[RAFster122s]

Toytuff, John, did a cb77 and I don't recall now that I think about it if he did new rims or was able to clean up his. Parts were such a hassle and pita with people either unknowingly selling parts that simply did not fit but were marked for the CB77 or was it a CA77 or CA78 he did...now I am unclear on which model he had. It was his first and last he vowed after the parts problems.  How about Bill Silvers, isn't he an expert on those bikes the CB and CA 77/78 bikes?
Check with John to see if he might be able to help you, his partner is very sick and he has been taking care of her the past few years so he has not been as active here on the forums or in restoring and cleaning up bikes. He does gorgeous work.

David

[bert96]

I send a pm to John and a email to Bill,we'll see.

Its really frustrating! I hope the other parts will not be as tough as these parts to find!



Bert

[CBJoe]

I send a pm to John and a email to Bill,we'll see.

Its really frustrating! I hope the other parts will not be as tough as these parts to find!

Bert

I've purchased a TON of parts for my CB77 build....to be honest the front rim was so far the only piece that was an issue.  Got most my parts from the following...where possible I'm using Honda OEM

CMSNL
David Silver Spares
https://classichondarestoration.com/index.php?seo_path=305-piston-kit-2nd-over

[bert96]

This is the emails i recieved from William Silver,


Bertrand, I have bought several sets of spokes from 4:1 for CB77s which work correctly. The spokes are 6" long. Rims are a different problem, though. Honda's replacement rims had the big DOT stampings on the edges, which are not consistent with the original DID parts,

The UNION CYCLE rims from Thailand are not properly drilled, so the spokes wind up a little bent when the wheel is assembled. Plus for some reason the rims seem to weigh a few pounds more than Japanese rims.

https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB77-305/part_333311/

https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB77-305/part_190423/

https://www.davidsilverspares.com/CB77-305/part_333366/

It doesn't say if these are stamped on the side or not....

You can call or email DSS for more details. They have spoke kits available, as well.

Bill Silver

And this

Thank you for email me back.

I contacted DSS about their rims,and they told me they sell the same rims for cb77 and the cb360...
So,i did not bought anything, they don't seem to see the difference!?

Thanks

Bert

https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/1974-honda-cb360-cb360-front-fender-front-wheel-disc/o/m9222sch398513

The base model CB360 has a front drum brake on 18" rim

Bill

Yes,but,tell me if i'm wrong. The brake hub from the cb 360 is 180mm and the cb77 is 200mm.
Bert


Correct

[bert96]

I send a pm to John and a email to Bill,we'll see.

Its really frustrating! I hope the other parts will not be as tough as these parts to find!

Bert

I've purchased a TON of parts for my CB77 build....to be honest the front rim was so far the only piece that was an issue.  Got most my parts from the following...where possible I'm using Honda OEM

CMSNL
David Silver Spares
https://classichondarestoration.com/index.php?seo_path=305-piston-kit-2nd-over
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Where did you take your rims and spokes?

Bert

[CBJoe]

I haven’t built them yet...I can take a look at the spokes kits I bought from David Silver when I’m back next weekend from a business trip.

The rim I ordered from DSS should be here on Monday...when I get back I will check the spoke angles.  If they aren’t correct for the CB77 I’ll have some conversation with DSS...worst case I’ll just save the rim for the CB360 build I have.

I’ve considered just having the original rims rechromed....but that’s super expensive and not easy to find a shop to do it.

I agree that this is surprising it’s such a pain to sort the front rim.

Joe




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