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Offline Kirin36

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Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« on: August 12, 2018, 07:03:56 PM »
I have been reading a lot of posts on here recently trying to figure out why my CB won't charge..

I have the done the following tests, here are the results

Continuity between yellow stator wires: All .08 ohms, nothing to ground.

Field Coil Test: 7.8 Ohms (not minus the .01 from my multimeter, so 7.7)

Rectifier test: All diodes read around 500, when flipped I get nothing between the three yellow wires.

I may be missing something right in front of my face. Volts will go up a tiny bit when I rev the bike to 4000 RPMS and above. Maybe to 13 if I'm lucky. I've also tried adjusting the regulator, with no luck.

New battery, only thing changed on the bike is AGC to Blade style main fuse.. What gives?

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Re: Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 08:42:42 PM »
This hardware is usually very reliable and seldom the cause. Old wiring harnesses can be suspect as all the connectors loosen and oxidize. Check EVERY connection. Clean and tighten. Grounds can also be issues. Check and clean them. This is NOT a fun job as MANY of us know but do it. You have done the easy stuff and it's good so move onto a next step.
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Re: Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 12:56:48 AM »
This hardware is usually very reliable and seldom the cause. Old wiring harnesses can be suspect as all the connectors loosen and oxidize. Check EVERY connection. Clean and tighten. Grounds can also be issues. Check and clean them. This is NOT a fun job as MANY of us know but do it. You have done the easy stuff and it's good so move onto a next step.

Will do, anything in particular I should look for?

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Re: Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 03:08:13 AM »
Yellow, green and white behind sprocket cover are frequently corroded
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Re: Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 07:01:49 AM »
1) How are you measuring the rectifier? Your description is not too clear. Most digital mutimeters have a "diode test" function that displays the voltage drop across a diode junction - should be around 0.5V "forward" and an indication of open circuit connected "reverse" - display varies, could be "ERR" ... whatever it displays with the leads not touching anything. There should be open circuit between all yellow wires, both directions. All 3 yellow wires should show ~0.5V when connected one way to the red wire, and open circuit the other way. Same with all 3 wires measured to green or ground, but reversed from the readings to the red wire. If you don't have the diode test function, reading resistance is similar but the forward reading will be some low Ohms number and reverse very high (or whatever it says with the meter leads loose). Analog Ohmmeter the same, low reading forward and high reverse.
2) Adjusting the regulator is usually a mistake: it's pretty simple and the settings don't tend to change on their own... until you have resolved any harness and switch issues you're just pissing into the wind by adjusting it. The regulator measures system voltage and connects power to the field coil when it decides the voltage is low. The trick is that the voltage it measures needs to be accurate, and a harness with corroded connections and switches won't provide an accurate voltage - you get a voltage drop proportional to the current draw. If the voltage is a bit low you get overcharging and the  battery "boils" dry... not your problem. If it's really low there isn't enough there to drive the field coil properly and you get low alternator output.
3) The alternator is really very simple. You need current through the field coil (white wires), with the rotor turning it generates 3 phase AC electricity between the yellow wires, converted to DC by the rectifier. Output power is directly proportional to field current and somewhat proportional to rotor RPM... reduced a lot at low RPM but not increasing much above 3000 or so. All the connectors in the white and yellow wires need to be clean and tight. That's the engine plug and the various bullet connectors. The bullets under the sprocket cover get heat cycled with the engine and tend to get corroded before any others.
3) A simple test is to connect the white and black wires to the regulator together - the spade females can be pushed together to make a decent connection temporarily as long as the joint doesn't touch the frame or anything metal, or use a jumper wire between the regulator terminals. That puts the alternator at 100% power: with a fully charged battery its voltage should go above 15V at 3000+ RPM. If that works but you still don't have proper voltage with the regulator reconnected, then a new regulator or some adjustment of yours is in order. The regulator should - with lighting loads off (HEAD and TAIL fuses removed) - settle at around 14.5V at the battery with the engine above 3000 RPM. Note these tests absolutely require a fully charged, known good battery. Use the kickstarter for the tests, the starter motor discharges the battery a fair bit even when used only for a second or two.

Going through the harness and cleaning the connectors - at least all the red and black wire connections - plus switching the key and kill switches many times to rub clean their contacts will solve many electrical problems.

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Re: Stumped on 75 CB750 not charging!
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 11:00:17 AM »
Tweaking on the vreg screw has likely screwed up that setting, and added another process to complete after you find the real problem.  Before, you touch that, check what voltage the Vreg "sees" at it's black and green terminals compared to what is present at the battery.  If the bike's connection are lying to the Vreg, it can't do it's job properly.

The Vdrop (voltage drop) test is performed with a voltmeter and places probes on the battery POS terminal and the black wire post at the Vreg.  Note the meter reading.
Now repeat the test with Vmeter probes on the Battery NEG and the Vreg Green post.  Note the reading and add that to the previous reading.  This sum is the error the Vreg "sees" with respect to actual battery voltage.  In order to perform it's job the Vreg needs to "see" true battery voltage wishing about 0.5V of actual.
Note: the test should be performed with all the lighting on.  If the wiring/connections are faulty, more electrical load will magnify the Vdrops.

After repairing the Vdrop,  You will have to readjust the Vreg with the battery at known full charge, Minimum load on the bike's systems (lights off , at least) and the engine revving above 3000 RPM.  Adjust for 14.5 -14.7 volts at the battery terminals.

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