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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #250 on: February 19, 2020, 04:51:18 pm »
well at least you did not leave any skid marks behind this time terry,and you made it home,is it cams or carbs causing the need for wot?bill
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« Reply #251 on: February 19, 2020, 05:49:40 pm »
G'day guys, thanks for all the kind words, I really do love this bike and so apart from the electrical, brake, gearing and fork issues which are easily remedied, there's nothing that can't be overcome.

Bill, I don't know what cams are in it, but they remind me of the 125/75 I had in my 836 a few years ago, not much down low, then explosive power from around 5000 RPM. It did start to miss and fart a bit on WOT, but that may have been due to the crappy old fuel that I put in it to get to the gas station, I filled it with Shell Optimax (98 RON) and a mile or two up the road it seemed to clear.

I hadn't replaced the plugs or even cleaned the points, and the plug I pulled to check the spark was sooty, so that might have been a factor too. I have a bank of Mikuni RS40's coming for the 1428, so I might try them, but for an 1100 they're probably a little too big? Nothing wrong with playing with it though...... ;D
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 11:47:13 pm by Terry in Australia »
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #252 on: February 19, 2020, 09:23:13 pm »
When my K6 had 836 it had CX-7 cam. No low rpm issues despite carbs not perfectly set. Even Idle a little bit higher, around 1400 rpm. Almost lost the grip at first wot when power happened very sudden at around 6000 rpm. But bike was streetable at lower rpm's. I'm sure that cam work better with bigger bore or race bikes.

This bike might have rich carbs for best WOT response at green light.
If no acc pump, rich setting needed I guess.

A friend back in the early 80's had a Z1000 with RC pistons and cams. Not very big bore, original sleeves. RC Cams not that hot either, no special shim holders. Head most likely ported. It ran very well with Dellorto carbs.

But it sootened the plugs at red light so it could stop.
Solution was 1 step warmer plugs when he had a set of plugs to his car he tested to get the bike running.

After that no problems. Very raw power!
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
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K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #253 on: February 20, 2020, 01:37:38 am »
Thanks Per, and yes, those unfiltered GSXR carbs could probably do with some smaller jets, but I'll wait until I've taken it for a longer ride before I start messing with them, it hardly had time to flush the bad fuel out before the electrical issue, but it does start on the first or second kick with little or no choke, so it probably is running a tad rich. The smaller rear sprocket will gear it up considerably too, which might be a another way of calming it down in traffic.

The Mikuni's arrived today. I bought them cheap because one of the float towers was busted off, so I used some JB Weld "Steel Stik" 2 part epoxy to try to stick it back in place. Supposedly it is impervious to gas, so who knows? It might work, but if not, I'll find someone to micro-weld it.

JB Weld Steelstik by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

JB Weld Steelstik 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

The Mikuni's came with 4 "as new" K&N pods which cost more than I paid for the whole lot, so if I can't use the carbs, I'll put the pods on the GSXR carbs. A couple more parts arrived today, a new oil pressure gauge and some engine parts for the 1428cc engine. Things are looking up! ;D

Terry's 40mm Mikuni's by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Terry's 40mm Mikuni's 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Eagle crank for 1428cc engine by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
« Last Edit: February 20, 2020, 01:42:24 am by Terry in Australia »
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #254 on: February 20, 2020, 03:53:14 am »
I have not had any good luck with the JB weld 2k dough. Ok to seal a hole or similar.

The std JB Weld epoxy is  excellent!
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #255 on: February 20, 2020, 12:01:44 pm »
Thanks Per, I'm pretty much the same, I used something similar to patch a cracked carb on a CB750 a couple of years ago without much success, so I'd much rather use standard JB Weld, but I made the mistake of doing some research, and they (JB) recommended this stuff if the repaired item is gonna be immersed in fuel. Don't worry, if it doesnt work, I'll try normal JB Weld. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #256 on: February 20, 2020, 12:39:02 pm »
The putty I used was High Heat.
Last time plugged the bottom of a thread hole thru the head under cam holder where it should not be a hole leaking to plug cavity.

Filled inside with JB Weld epoxy that did not flow out thanks to rhe quick hardened putty plug.

Yours might work fine for carbs, Terry.
A product like this perfect for quick fix beside the road. A package of putty with  a small bottle of acetone with the tools on bike tour holidays
« Last Edit: February 20, 2020, 08:33:01 pm by PeWe »
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #257 on: February 20, 2020, 05:02:12 pm »
Good idea mate, I'm doing a 3000(+) Km ride in October on my Triumph Rocket III, hopefully I'll have no problems, but might take some just in case? ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #258 on: February 20, 2020, 08:41:58 pm »
8 packages of JB Weld epoxy is standard equipment on Canadian subs. Probably the bigger pack.
I read that when order more from the Swedish supplier.

The shelf life of it is 25 years or more, even if tubes are used. Order more than needed for the moment is no problem.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #259 on: February 21, 2020, 04:55:22 pm »
I had an early "knock-off" from work yesterday as I had to have another couple of MRI's at the local imaging clinic, so after starting at 6am, then wandering over to my favourite restaurant at 0700 for scrambled eggs and crispy bacon on buttered toast and a large coffee, I left work at 0945 to be at the clinic at 1045, and arrived right on time, which was pretty surprising, the traffic was way heavier than I'd expected.

What's the deal with hospital gowns? You have to strip down to your undies and socks for an MRI, so need to put on a gown, but the ties are at the back. Now apart from being old and busted, I'm also terribly uncoordinated, so there's no way I can do up the ties at the back of a hospital gown. Being an engineering wizard though (as you all know............) I realised that if the ties were just longer, you could wrap the gown around yourself, pull the ties around to the front, and tie a neat bow in the front?

I mentioned this to the radiologist, and he was stunned, he said "I've been doing this job for years, and never thought of that!" I bet I'll see him on the news soon, with diamond studded gold teeth surrounded by scantily clad super-models aboard his ocean going yacht, explaining how his simple idea made him filthy stinking rich! Baastard, I hate him already.........

Anyway, back to reality, sort of. Well after both Per and I agreed that the 2 part epoxy is sh1t and probably wouldn't work, it actually worked fine. After I arrived home from the MRI's, I ate some lunch and fell asleep. I don't know about you guys, but nowadays, I'm really good at falling asleep in my comfy chair. Recently my oldest son even took a somewhat embarrassing pic of me asleep with my hand in my container of nuts and dried fruit that I like to snack on, so when you're falling asleep while eating, you know that you're getting old.....

But I digress. By this time it was around 6pm, and I remembered that I'd bogged up that carb with the JB two part epoxy, so should probably take a look and see if it'd done any good.

Mikuni 40mm repair by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

The stuff had dried OK, I was able to pull the float pin out and remove the float without the tower falling off, so I gave it a bit of a jiggle, and it stayed put, it actually felt quite secure. I knew it'd need some trimming though, before I could put the float bowl back on, and as my knock off dremel tool had died a horrible death a few weeks ago and i'd bought a much bigger but quite unwieldy Makita electric die grinder to replace it, I needed something a lot smaller.

My dad was not a tool guy. Most of the tools in his garage are ancient woodworking tools that he "inherited" from my maternal grandfather or things that I bought him. A few years ago though, he'd bought me a tiny electric die grinder which I found particularly useless and put away on a shelf, never to be used again. As it turned out, it was great for shaping the epoxy putty. As I kept grinding it away so as to allow the float bowl back on I was expecting the float tower to come adrift, but no, the pile of putty at the rear of the tower was enough to keep the structure rigid.

Mikuni 40mm repair 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I could have smoothed it more, but I thought it better to quit while I was ahead, and anyway, it had only been on for 24 hours, so the longer I leave it, hopefully the harder it will become. I refitted the float and pin and made sure nothing was obstructing the up and down movement, and was happy to see that I could leave the rest of the small mountain of putty I'd built up around the float tower. It took a few goes before I could re-fit the float bowl, with a little more epoxy putty grinding required each time, but eventually it plopped back into place, so I called it good.

I don't think I'll bother trying to install these carbs on this engine, I think I'll need bigger rubber insulators, but the head that's on it's way from the US has what looks like bigger insulators fitted (It was off a 1974 Z1 with a 1327 big bore kit) but if not, apparently Z1 Enterprises (owned by a member here) have them, so I'll order a set. It does worry me not having any air filters on my carbs, but then I remember that back in the days when we had very few unsealed roads most bikes didn't have air filters and survived OK, so I'll try not to worry too much about it, but if I do see another set of these GSXR carbs with pods going cheap, I'll buy them, even if just for winter riding.

OK, the sun is shining, I better get out there and see what I can't cock up today! ;D       
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #260 on: February 21, 2020, 06:05:39 pm »
Good to see the progress Terry, but  "my hand on my container of nuts and dried fruit"
This feature of you and your disgusting habits has me confused, I realise a scrotum contains nuts, but where in the general proximity lurk the dried fruit.
Edit. the skin of the sack now resembles dried fruit. damn I'm a dumb arse.
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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #261 on: February 21, 2020, 09:50:49 pm »
The carb repair look good!
The putty has hopefully glued itself to the carb body. The other JB Weld (High heat) putty I used looked more grainy, porous.

Why not Pods? The carbs will probably need other jetting without.

My Mikuni TMR32 my K6 has were delivered with pod adaptors but still jetted for stacks. Oval rather big KN pods on that fits exactly on the bike.

I tried a lot of pilot sizes and needle height combinations and finally found that the needle jet (emulsifier tube) was one size too big (affects the very first throttle lift a few mm above idle).
Now hopefully right in the entire throttle lift area. It felt and smelled OK when I started it early January, slowly increased throttle.

More open and better flowing exhaust reveals this kind of problem. Not as bad with Lotus Root 4-4 and Yamiya no numbers 4-4 which both were tested on dyno.

So the other way from filter to without will run lean then.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #262 on: February 22, 2020, 02:50:39 am »
Ha ha, it hasn't run air filters for the last 30 years Per, so there's no problem with it running lean. This bike was doing 10 second quarters right up to 2017 when the PO retired it. I asked him why he never broke into into the 9's (my old Yoshimura equipped GS1000 based drag bike would run 9's all day) and he told me that he had problems with wheelspin for the first 60 feet, which messed with his 1/4 mile times. After my short ride on Monday, I believe him.

If it needs anything, it's probably leaner jetting. The PO shrunk/pressed small velocity stacks onto each carb, so to get them off again to install pods might damage them, and I kinda like the old beast just the way it is. Don't worry, the 1428cc engine will have air filters...... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #263 on: February 22, 2020, 06:49:42 am »
No net covering the stacks to not let spiders and rouches to enter? ;)
It will suck like a pro vacuum cleaner at WOT!! Birds will disappear ... :)

I think you have affected me Terry!!

I drank a Mojito  a taste of summer (Gin and Schweppes Mojito soda) to the Saturday steak after case assembly to test all threads and find all needed bolts on my K2 engine build.
Maybe back and work a little bit more while the rain and hard winds rage outside.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 06:55:32 am by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #264 on: February 22, 2020, 09:08:11 am »
Terry what size rear wheel ? I picked up a 5  or 5.5  wide spun aluminium PM Mitchell wheel , that ought to be enough for my bike.... light too.
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« Reply #265 on: February 22, 2020, 07:54:36 pm »
Thanks Guys, Per, I have 4 balls (no Scunny, not testicles.......) that I shove in the carbs to keep the rats and snakes out when I'm not riding it. It does get dusty around here, so not a bad idea. Yep, alcohol is a wonderful thing, whilst I was working on the Zed yesterday I drank a couple of "Fat Pixies" (8% alcoholic ginger beer, not as nice as Ginger Joe, but I bought a ten pack a few weeks ago, so need to drink them to make room for the 52 bottles of my home made "Ginger Slut" that I bottled last night, which I'm hoping is so good, I won't need to buy any more ginger Joes, except to keep the bottles for more home brew.

Kawasaki ZED wiring fix 22 Feb 2020 2 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Kawasaki ZED wiring fix 22 Feb 2020 4 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

OK, bike stuff. As previously mentioned, the electrical failure was caused by the wires from the tail light and rear indicators rubbing on the sharp edge of the "fender eliminator" so I dragged out my newest toy, a 60mm step drill, and punched a 20mm hole in it, installed a nice rubber grommet, and fed all the wires thru. AS you can see I used some of those self soldering repair sections to fix the wires, which I really like, so All good. I also zip tied the wires underneath the fender eliminator out of the way, so there is no chance of it happening again.

Sunday Zed tweaking 23 Feb 2020 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Kawasaki ZED wiring fix 22 Feb 2020 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I traced all the other wiring and only found the melted ones up on the handlebar switch block, so just used some insulation tape to fix them.

Kawasaki ZED wiring fix 22 Feb 2020 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I then inserted the key, and everything worked, except the blinkers. I looked at the flasher can and realised why, it had been hanging loose and must have come into contact with the back wheel or maybe the chain, and had been destroyed. I rifled through my tubs of crap and found 3 flasher cans, two of which were no good, but the last one was fine, so I cable tied it up out of the way of anything that might hurt it, and called it good.

Today I'm going to install the new oil pressure gauge I bought recently, as you guys probably know the big Kawasaki's ran roller bearing cranks, so there was no need for high oil pressure, as opposed to high volume, so the gauge only reads to 15 psi (from memory) and like the ones I used to run on my Suzy GS1000, I probably won't see much more than 10 psi, but as long as I can see something, I'll be happy to assume that the oil pump is doing it's thang.

Nic (another member here) sent me an electronic tach that he had on his KZ900, so I'll install that too, while the tank is off, and I think I've got a little voltage gauge that I might install too, it'll be interesting to see how far I can ride on battery power alone. I remember Hondaman telling me that the advantage of points over electronic ignitions is that points will still operate with as little as 6 volts, so it'll be interesting to see at what point (no pun intended) the ignition gives up the ghost.

Frank, It's running a stock 18" rear wheel, (2.15" wide) I'm still trying to decide what I'll do with wheels, and if I do build an entirely different bike around the 1428cc engine I might leave this one "as is" and put more effort into customising the big boy, with modern forks, swingarm, and brakes. None of those upside down forks everyone is putting on old bikes, I do have a set out in my garage, but I'd rather use "conventional" forks, because on older bikes, I think they just look better.

OK, I better get out and do something, back soon! ;D   

Kawasaki ZED wiring fix 22 Feb 2020 3 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr       
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #266 on: February 22, 2020, 09:33:04 pm »
One detail in my mind making these old bikes to look really good is laced wheels.

They sell for later bikes.
https://www.omniaracing.net/en/wheels-special-rims-wire-wheels-c-10_267.html

This us a huge investment though!
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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #267 on: February 23, 2020, 01:54:46 am »
Regularly running your battery that low, does wear out a lead acid battery fairly quickly. But you can always go lithium ion then, if this setup is going to stay in this frame. Less weight, more juice, and handles deep discharge well.

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #268 on: February 23, 2020, 03:14:10 am »
Thanks guys, I did some more work today, which I'll post tomorrow, with pics.`Those wheels are nice Per, but like you say, nice price to, so I'll more likely find some wheels off another bike and make 'em fit.

Web, I'm running a Motobatt gel battery, which I hope will do the job for awhile, but I have heaps of room under the seat, so have been thinking about wiring in a "reserve" lithium battery to get me home if I get caught out? We'll see. OK, gotta get up at 5 am for anther day at the ole salt mine, so I'll catch more with you guys tomorrow. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #269 on: February 23, 2020, 09:07:31 am »
Regularly running your battery that low, does wear out a lead acid battery fairly quickly. But you can always go lithium ion then, if this setup is going to stay in this frame. Less weight, more juice, and handles deep discharge well.
I am going to suggest here that many lead acid batteries are not as good as they were in the 70,s and 80,s.
 I had a Yuasa battery that sat in the shed a few winters, going down to zero F every winter. I thought it would be no good as it had not been charged in a few years, I thought it would crack but it didn't . Put it on a trickle charger and it charged right up.  And held. And then I used it in a Kawi 900 chopper, that wasn't charging . Lights off, total loss, run that  battery till the bike started to miss . Then disconnect rear brake light, head back to shop , put it on the charger.. repeatedly.. good batteries back then.. Yuasa had a one year guarantee.
 Most lead acid battery guarantees are a joke. 3 months.. when I buy them now, I comment.. so it might not make it thru the winter. My last two went 55 weeks and 51 I think.. pitiful and both times I had to do 500 miles in the daylight to get back... so glad I have a kickstart..
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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #270 on: February 23, 2020, 09:49:15 am »
I use cheap GEL batteries, work fine. I have maintained them every month or 2nd with a good charger in MC mode, max 0.8 A for 24-48 hours.

Old car battery chargers did not even charge with correct DC, more or less AC back in the 80's.

The low priced batteries back then did not last long, maybe 2 seasons. Probably due to no maintenance charging. Bike stood cold wintertime as well.

My oldest battery purchased 2013 now as spare since I thought it was bad last summer used on my K2.

 It was the regulator that suddenly came in wrong mode, relay in middle no connection at all. I found out after I replaced battery.

My K6 has a smaller, only 11Ah and lower to stack ign module on top of it. I have voltage meters on both bikes now to see the voltage and see how the charging regulator works.

Before only LED supervision that alarm for too low ir high or OK. 13V is OK for that one, but the voltage should increase to +14V when fully charged. I have seen max 14.2V on ny K2. GEL should get max 14 4 V. So regulator is correct.
My K6 had issues with regulator last season, overcharge warning on LED despite reduced it by the adj screw.  I have another one to test if not get it right.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2020, 10:46:26 am by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #271 on: February 23, 2020, 01:08:23 pm »
Yep, I think batteries are pretty much "hit and miss" nowadays. I gave regular lead acid (Yuasa) batteries the arse a few years ago when I was lucky to get a year out of them, even with a trickle charger plugged in.

On the other hand, the OEM gel battery in my Triumph Rocket III lasted 10 years before I replaced it, and only because it went flat twice in two weeks. The Motobatt in my Sportster was of unknown age when I bought the bike, but I replaced it after 4 years and even though it's never seen a trickle charger and I'm an infrequent rider at best, it cranks that big twin over and starts first time, every time.

The cheap orange gel battery I bought for the k2 bitsa only lasted 4 months before it sh1t itself, so I forked out the extra dough and bought a new motobatt, and I think just about all my bikes have them now, certainly worth the investment. ;D
« Last Edit: February 23, 2020, 01:10:30 pm by Terry in Australia »
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #272 on: February 23, 2020, 02:05:04 pm »
Terry put something bigger than an O ring on that back wheel, no wonder it has traction problems. Did your Suzi get in the 9,s with you on it ?
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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #273 on: February 23, 2020, 02:48:38 pm »
Thanks Frank, that's a 120/90 - 18 on the back, which is slightly wider than the stock width. If you go back to the start of the thread, you'll remember that you identified the back wheel that was on the bike when I brought it home as being off a Yamaha, it was a 16 incher with a 150/80 - 16 fitted.

Nope, I'm no racer, the young soldier who gave me the old GS1000 based drag bike also gave me the dyno charts and timing slips from when he raced the bike at tbe Townsville International Raceway in the early 90's.

Like this bike, I had no use for a drag bike, so I bought a stock GS1000 with a blown gearbox and did an engine swap. Just like this bike, it was an animal, had 12.5:1 Yoshi 1100 pistons, big valves, ported head, Dyna ignition and Mikuni 33mm carbs, rev limiter, air shifter, and would lift the front wheel better than any other road bike I've owned, apart perhaps from this one.

I bought another frame which I braced and installed GSXR1100 forks (with longer tubes) and wheels, brakes etc, and in a moment of poverty, sold to a member of "The GS Resources" in Britain. He took my modified frame and wheels to the local powdercoater, and apparently they were stolen. Last I heard he'd sourced a Harris or Spondon frame for the engine, but I drifted away from those forums, so don't know if it's still around.

It still had a complete crank so I was able to install an alternator and electric starter, so it was a better street bike, if you could control your right wrist.......... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Kawasaki Z1000 Mad Max Bike, my er, 2020 summer project.
« Reply #274 on: February 24, 2020, 02:02:05 am »
WEll it's almost bed time and I've been busy bottling my latest batch of ginger brew, and making a fresh batch, to go into the fermenter tomorrow. I sat down and immediately fell asleep, so I'll post some pics of bike stuff tomorrow. Here's a pic my son took of me toiling over my future hangover production line. ;D

Monday Zed meandering 24 Feb 2020 2 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)