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Offline Noah1981

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Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« on: September 15, 2018, 01:37:41 PM »
Hello! I’m currently fumbling through a rewire of a ‘76 cb550f. I pulled the old harness and have everything ready to get started wiring up the m-unit. A few things are concerning so I wanted to get some feedback, specifically on the reg/rec and solenoid wiring. Also what I need to do to get the clutch switch either bypassed or operational. I need to know where the group from the stator/starter needs to go. My new solenoid has two wires, pink and yellow/red. The reg/rec has black/white/2x green/red/yellow. I’m having a hard time wrapping my brain around this configuration. Any help would be appreciated.

Also, the clutch switch wire coming from the “starter” bundle is new to me. I know what it’s for but can’t figure out how to set it up properly with an aftermarket clutch lever.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 07:43:58 PM »
I suspect you have the wrong type of "new Reg/Rec". Perhaps a model # and brand of the unit you bought?

Essentially, the Reg/Rec and the M-Unit have nothing to do with each other. The only interaction is the standard BLACK wire from the Regulator wants to run to the LOCK or AUX port on the M-Unit. That's it.

As for the Clutch Safety, again, it is not involved in the M-Unit. You should instead run that wire to the Starter Solenoid. The M-Unit will also run a wire from the START output to the solenoid (this wire brings power, the Clutch Safety the "ground" to the solenoid). Then, with the Clutch lever pulled in, you press the START button on the handlebar and the M-Unit energizes the solenoid.

Here's a diagram that will get you started-
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 08:04:40 PM »
Thanks for the response! It’s actually not a new reg rec and was on it when it was running last year. I can send photos when I’m home later and maybe find a number on it. As for the clutch switch, straight from the case and into the solenoid?

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 10:42:08 PM »
Ok, I think I understand the clutch switch a bit more. Green/red wire from the lever straight to the solenoid? Which wires would be the ones to connect? There’s a pink and a red/yellow coming out of the solenoid. I noticed a green/red wire grouped with the alternator wires. How does that fall in line? Should that go directly to the solenoid or should I join that to the green/red wire coming from the handlebar clutch switch and direct that to the solenoid? I checked the rec reg, it’s a ricks made for this motorcycle.

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2018, 04:11:56 AM »
Ok, the solenoid has a Red, a Green/Red, a Yellow/Red, and no PINKS. Any wire you think is Pink, is actually solid RED faded from age.

The Green/Red wire is the Neutral Switch coming from under the left side cover, above the sprocket. This groups with the Stator bundle purely for convenience. There’s also a Blue/Red for the OIL pressure switch. Same deal, just convenience and where it’s located is about 8:00 to the front sprocket. You’ll need both of these wires to drive the idiot lights.

From the stator to the Ricks Reg/Reg you shuold have:
3x Yellow
1x White
1x Green
These wires feed the Rectifier side of the Ricks. The Ricks usually has 2 plugs ready to go:
3x Yellow
1x Green
1x Red
And the other wires are loose:
Black
White
Green
These are for the Regulator side of the Ricks.
I always swap the loose WHITE with the RED in the plug. It’s not required, but makes life easier from an organization perspective.

If you are performing a full re-wire, then you can run the Green/Red from NEU switch to the solenoid with the Yellow/Red from the RH handlebar to the left side of the M-Unit START (per drawing) and then Y/R from M-Unit to solenoid.

Now this configuration doesn’t engage the Clutch Safety Switch, but it does require NEU to start the bike. You could also wire the LH Green/Red to solenoid so either condition enables START (clutch lever or NEU).
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2018, 04:20:15 AM »
One thing you need to understand: wiring an M-Unit to use the stock handlebar control switches requires several changes to the wiring at the handlebars.

Stock configuration, the switches are passing current across them with switched power coming to them via the KEY, the Flasher Relay, etc.

For use with an M-Unit, each switch function needs to wire to GROUND on one side, the other side directly to the M-Unit.

Look at the M-Unit. The left side is all inputs. The right side is all outputs. On the left, the MU seeks a signal from a ground trigger. When it does, it passes internally to the right, switching power momentarily to that circuit, and sends power directly to the component skipping the handlebar switch altogether. This is more efficient in some ways, and limits the switches from causing shorts as all of that is within the MU.

You can also use much smaller wire gauge from the switches to the MU. And you can use smaller wire from the MU to the components. I use 22awg input, 18awg output.

If you look at the PDF I attached, you can see the routing of what I describe above more clearly. You no longer need the stock Flasher Relay as it’s incorporated to the MU.

Hope this helps provide some additional explanation as you undertake your wiring job.  :)
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2018, 05:21:03 AM »
Wow, thanks! That will help a ton! This is all new to me and I’m obviously not an electrical guy.. one thing that I may have screwed up on is the replacement solenoid. It’s this one..

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F262665836968

If this isn’t compatible is there one you could suggest?

I’m hoping to completely replace the handlebar switches, too. I have two motone 3 button switches and new levers.

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 06:52:01 AM »
That solenoid works fine
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 08:31:00 AM »
Pink for red?

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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 08:54:08 AM »
Post some pictures
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 09:11:22 AM »
Here’s the solenoid..

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 09:12:29 AM »
Y/R to START output
Other wire to Green/Red
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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 09:16:05 AM »
Thanks!

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Re: Cb550f and M Unit Blue help
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2018, 05:09:46 PM »
Alright, got it running! It’s rough as hell but it did spend the chicago winter untouched.. thanks for all the help!

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2018, 05:24:05 PM »
Time to pull the carbs and give them a thorough cleaning  :)
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