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Offline pbr23n

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Ignition Timing vs. Carb Tuning
« on: October 29, 2018, 10:24:03 AM »
I have been struggling to get my (non-sohc) xl350 tuned right.  The plug reading looks spot on but there's a huge flat spot at the lower RPM range.  The bike idles great, runs spot on at 1/4th throttle but, has a flat spot where the bike boggs down from 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, then runs perfect.  I have adjusted pilot jets, mains, needles, clip position, and float height and can't seem to get rid of the flat spot.

Could this be a timing issue and not carb related? 

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Re: Ignition Timing vs. Carb Tuning
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2018, 11:12:17 AM »
They can easily behave like one another.
Ive always made sure timing and full advance was done first. 
This can be done no matter how bad the jetting is.  The bike just as to be running.
Once this is complete, then dig into the carbs.
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Re: Ignition Timing vs. Carb Tuning
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2018, 11:23:10 AM »
Some set the idle by leaning out the mixture to achieve the highest RPM. Although this can be good practice for many motors, other (older) bikes that lack an acceleration jet in their carbs, need a pretty rich idle to have a good driveability in the range where you have your issue. Not saying this is true for your bike (I don't know what type of carb it has) but I know quite a few bikes that need a rich idle to pick up well. These bikes were marketed before the US became hard on emissions at idle.
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Re: Ignition Timing vs. Carb Tuning
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2018, 06:33:15 PM »
I have been struggling to get my (non-sohc) xl350 tuned right.  The plug reading looks spot on but there's a huge flat spot at the lower RPM range.  The bike idles great, runs spot on at 1/4th throttle but, has a flat spot where the bike boggs down from 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, then runs perfect.  I have adjusted pilot jets, mains, needles, clip position, and float height and can't seem to get rid of the flat spot.

Could this be a timing issue and not carb related?

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