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Offline Supersportguy

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Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« on: November 03, 2018, 09:03:52 pm »
Does anyone know if there is any difference between the 71 CB500 Starlight gold paint and the 72 CB500 Candy gold paint. I think it may have more green in it but I cant tell. Thanks.

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 02:59:52 am »
Unless you put them next to each other you can not tell the difference and as they are 3 pack paint the final colour depends on the painter anyway
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 04:31:54 am »
the vintage lubritech paint code for candy gold is hc-16-601. Starlight gold is hc-16-600. , so there is a difference. The closeness of the last number doesn't mean anything as to how close the colors are in appearance.
     So it depends on what you're trying to do, or want.

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2018, 02:43:17 pm »
Candy custom gold is darker than candy starlight gold.

Although after carefully examing both colours I can say that the base coat is the same (silver metallic) but the candy in the custom gold either has more layers or is more concentrated than the starlight gold.
The overal shade of the colour is the same.

In the picture: left is candy custom gold and on the far right sandy starlight gold

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 07:31:21 am »
Wow, Menno, that's a nice picture! Is it possible to post a pic of the other side or of the whole tank like seen from above?
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 09:37:51 am »
Perfect tank for those who can't decide which color! All look really good! ;)
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 11:31:14 am »
left side:

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 11:32:55 am »
The tank from above.
All those colours can also be found on my website:

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 11:53:40 am »
Thanks mate. Very pleased to see most of the tank is in Excel Black (NH-57), my favourite. Btw, deuk je ook uit?
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 01:09:22 pm »
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2018, 02:11:38 pm »
Candy custom gold is darker than candy starlight gold.

Although after carefully examing both colours I can say that the base coat is the same (silver metallic) but the candy in the custom gold either has more layers or is more concentrated than the starlight gold.
The overal shade of the colour is the same.

In the picture: left is candy custom gold and on the far right sandy starlight gold
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2018, 02:46:54 pm »
That tank is unique and very cool.  I assume you painted it Menno?
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2018, 03:00:07 pm »
Is the blue actually blue or is it candy blue-green? The candy blue-green does not render well on electronic stuff.
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2018, 03:05:04 pm »
Thank you. I did paint that tank. I wanted to do something special, a tank with original colours for the european market.
And my wife who is a very good graphic designer made a poster out of it..

@delta rider - yes

Unfortunately there are quite a few mistakes in that youtube film.
One is that the cb 550 is not delivered in candy garnet brown but candy kent brown.
And there was never a cb500 in candy bacchus olive. The one in the film is a candy jade green (repaint) which had too many layers of candy jade green.
That happens if you dont paint candy in the propper manor. It gets cloudy. To overcome that you start adding layers until it is too dark... candy bacchus olive.

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 03:05:51 pm »
Is the blue actually blue or is it candy blue-green? The candy blue-green does not render well on electronic stuff.
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 12:21:56 am »
Unfortunately there are quite a few mistakes in that youtube film.
One is that the cb 550 is not delivered in candy garnet brown but candy kent brown.
Yet the Parts List mentions YR2C Candy Garnet Brown for the CB550K2... cf. http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac550/CB550-K0-K1-K2/CB550-K0-K1-K2_06.pdf
Talking about that CB550K2, a model that was marketed in '76 in the US only, here's a puzzle. A few years ago I saw an imported one parked in the streets of Amsterdam. I had a good look at it and it definitely was a CB550K2. Not only the engine-, frame- and even the carbnumber (087A) told me so, also details like the central grease nipple under the swing arm. Yet, it was not in Candy Garnet Brown, the only color the CB550K2 had been marketed in according to the corresponding parts list. This was very strange. The bike had few miles (less than 11.000) and absolutely everything seemed original. Not only that, by looking closely, I could clearly see it had never had seen a wrench on it and all the tubes were still exactly the way they were when the bike left the assembly line. Can any of you explain this? What color is it and were some CB550K2s, in spite of the parts list, in that other color in say a transition period? I did not have the impression tank and panels were fit later on or that it had been repainted. On the contrary, the tank had this typical somewhat faded patina after having been in the sun for a long time. Does/did any of you have a K2 in that color?
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 01:04:32 am »
About candy garnet brown:

The tankset used for the european market on the 500 was continued on the 550 in the usa because of its high demand.
If you look at the side panel you can see 550 four.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2018, 01:08:29 am »
About candy kent brown:

clearly a different colour although when faded almost looks like candy garnet brown...

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2018, 01:16:32 am »
About candy garnet brown:

The tankset used for the european market on the 500 was continued on the 550 in the usa because of its high demand.
If you look at the side panel you can see 550 four.
Well, now we have even more puzzles. What is the CB550 clutch case doing on the CB500 in the first pic and why doesn't the CB550K2 in the second pic have the bigger (and uglier) blinkers it is supposed to have?
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2018, 01:25:58 am »
@ Delta rider:

Honda was interested in selling bikes, not in keeping the parts lists clean for the future to come.
So it happened every once and a while that old parts were used when new stock wasn't available jet.
The orange tank on the bike in Amsterdam could very well be originaly fitted although the parts list says something different.

Volkswagen does this still very often so you might find Audi parts on your Volkswagen not only because they are interchangable but also because
certain parts were not in stock and they still needed to complete a bunch of cars. Because VW is German all these changes are carefully documented but when you want to repair your car you have to carefully check which registration number is on your car to match parts.

Imagine 40 years ago in the Honda factory; friday afternoon 50 cb's for the USA ready to be shipped but only 49 Tanksets available (one got damaged by accident) what would you do? Simply get another tanset, fit the 550 emblems and it's weekend. No one wrote that down. Stuff like that happened all the time.



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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2018, 01:27:33 am »
About candy garnet brown:

The tankset used for the european market on the 500 was continued on the 550 in the usa because of its high demand.
If you look at the side panel you can see 550 four.
Well, now we have even more puzzles. What is the CB550 clutch case doing on the CB500 in the first pic and why doesn't the CB550K2 in the second pic have the bigger (and uglier) blinkers it is supposed to have?

Probably because I ripped those pictures from the internet to make a point about the tankset. These are probably not 100% acurate restaurations.

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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2018, 01:32:16 am »
This looks quite original:

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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2018, 02:03:38 am »
Menno, your assumption is very plausible, but still I wonder if there have been some, let's say 'in between' units. The CB550K2 I saw in Amsterdam is probably one of them. The CB500K2 in your pic that has the 550 clutch case has probably been in between the European CB500K2* and the CB500K3.
Let's try to resume. I think it is safe to assume YR-3C is the color code for Candy Kent Brown. But what is the color code for Candy Garnet Brown? Is it YR2C I read in the pages that describe tank and side panels or is it EE that I read elsewhere? Excuse me for being so curious, but I like to solve these mysteries. On the other hand, if one thinks I am fussy, check the lads on the British site, they certainly beat me.  ;)
*BTW, the Owner's Manual for the European CB500K2 depicts that CB550 clutch case on p.72  http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_libretti/500/CB500_75/libretto500_2.pdf Strange, I've never seen one on a K2. Strange also: on p.66 that owner's manual shows a type of CB550 air filter and blowby breather filter the CB500K2 never had. I mean, if one cannot even trust one own's Owner Manual?? :D
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Re: Paint differences starlight gold, candy gold
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 04:17:30 am »
digging into honda history can drive a person crazy. here are examples of such misinformation. A european 550 f parts book ,yet in the Reqd. No. column it says for a xl 125k2.
     Set up instructions for a cb550 f, yet shows a picture of a "k". And printed 1973.
The "F" didn't show up until spring of 1975,at least in the U.S.
     And to throw fuel on a fire, you have magazine articles that give misinformation such as this 1975 Big Bike magazine that says the 1975 honda 550f came in " fire mist" orange, when it was actually sunrise metal flake orange.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 04:31:00 am »
Even better the 500 parts book sez there are 4 gear selectors, 2 of one sort.
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