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Offline pushin9s

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oversized float bowl orings.
« on: December 10, 2018, 08:06:27 AM »
I have been searching and reading most, if not all, of the threads on the infamous float bowl orings stretching.  I took my carbs off my recently acquired 350F and cleaned 2 on Saturday and 2 yesterday. The bike would start and idle somewhat steadily and run smoothly up to near WOT, but at WOT it would bog down and sputter but closing the throttle it would instantly pick up and run again.  With those symptoms I was expecting the mains to be either clogged or loose or the like.  Also, #1 carb would leak out of the overflow like a sieve unless the engine was running.  So, off they came.

I started with #4 then 3 Saturday night.  The mains were a little dirty, but not clogged and all the orings seemed to be ok.  I cleaned the air jets and all the passages and all the brass went into the ultrasonic cleaner for about 20 minutes each carb.  Reassembly was uneventful and even the float bowl orings went back on perfectly.  Last night I pulled #2 then 1 apart and found the mains ok, but the slow/pilot jets completely clogged.  The pilot on #1 was so clogged that even after 25 minutes in the ultrasonic cleaner and copious amounts of spray cleaner and air pressure I couldn't get it unblocked.  I got my old set of guitar strings out and finally was able to clear the passage.  Of note, floats on #3 and 4 were correct, #1 was set too low and #2 was too high. But the bowl orings on these 2 carbs swelled way out of proportion to reuse.  As soon as I took the bowls off they started swelling and stretching like one of those old carbon snakes we used to play with on the 4th of July.   :o

Finally, my question.  I remember reading on one of the threads I read that one member here soaked his orings in something over night to shrink them back into shape.  I'd order a new set but from what I've read here it doesn't appear that there are many, if any, available that don't suffer the same fate.  (NOTE:  Ethanol free fuel ONLY is used in my vehicles)


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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2018, 08:46:41 AM »
The orings have absorbed some fuel or carb cleaner which makes them swell.  They will shrink back to size if allowed to dry out.  That takes time, which a warm dry environment can speed up.

One strategy is to have two sets, one in use while the other is drying.  Or, you find orings that can withstand your cleaner solvent and fuel.

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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 08:50:56 AM »
Thank you for the reply Two.  Do you have a recommended vendor/supplier for good carb rubber parts?  I use Viton on my Mikunis on my vintage Yamaha and Suzuki 2 strokes but I'm new to sourcing quality parts for the Honda carbs.  Any help is appreciated  :)

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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 09:07:15 AM »
I was able to get viton bits for my gold wing through www.Randakks.com.
Perhaps call them and see if they know where to source viton parts for your carbs?

Might be worth a try.

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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 09:35:14 AM »
+1 on using Viton o-rings. I started using Viton a couple years ago to replace some disintegrating float bowl drain o-rings. I run normal pump gas (presumably with ethanol) and have had no issues since. Just drained the float bowls yesterday for storage and the o-rings were fine after a couple years of service.

Mcmaster-Carr is an excellent source for items like o-rings.
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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2018, 01:44:46 PM »
Only buy Viton or Buna-N o-rings for use in fuel....and properly shaped ones!
The only increased benefit to Viton is it has a higher heat tolerance.
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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2018, 08:42:20 AM »
One other question about these carbs.  I ordered 4 new carb rebuild kits and will replace not only the bowl o-rings but all the other rubber in there as well.  They are "supposed" to be viton but I'll just have to wait and see on that. All my brass is good but I was unable to remove the needle valve seats.  What is the safest way to remove these and not destroy the valve seat.  I'd rather not use the aftermarket brass if I can help it.

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Re: oversized float bowl orings.
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2018, 09:20:11 AM »
no need to remove them if they arent leaking.
depending on the bike you have, if your float needles have viton tips, just replace those and leave the oem seats in place...
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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