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Offline ponishenko3136

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1973 CB350F Build
« on: December 13, 2018, 01:55:05 PM »
hey guys, this is my second build thread on here, i've done a cb750 cafe racer and had this 350f stand around for a long time and finally tackling it. building when i have time and money. im planning to go with a tracker/scrambler look on this one. i bought it with front and rear off a 2001 r1 that i was wanting to put on but think the rear end wont look so good going with the scrambler look. im thinkon go of swapping the front end though and keeping the cb350 laced wheel. are there wheel bearings that i can use that fit the cb350 hub but will take the r1 axle bolt? and will i need spacers or something for the r1 forks to work with this wheel? or do i have to buy a new hub from cognito? or should i just front and rear swap with the wheels and go for another look? i also have the parts to convert it to a 400, is it worth the hassle? what are some opinions? thanks guys

here is how i bought it, all torn apart and lots of work ahead
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 05:09:08 PM »
You can make an old honda hub fit a new front end, but unless you can machine parts yourself a cognito hub is probably cheaper.

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 05:48:37 PM »
You're going to be busy.  I can attest to that after three years on mine.

I have an assortment of parts I'd give to you for the cost of shipping.   There's a rear hub (situation with bearing retainer), rear rim, and miscellaneous other stuff...

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 06:49:59 PM »
You're going to be busy.  I can attest to that after three years on mine.

I have an assortment of parts I'd give to you for the cost of shipping.   There's a rear hub (situation with bearing retainer), rear rim, and miscellaneous other stuff...

Thank you, I’ll message if I run into something I might need. But I bought this bike with a ton of parts off it so should mostly be there

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 06:50:59 PM »
You can make an old honda hub fit a new front end, but unless you can machine parts yourself a cognito hub is probably cheaper.

Thanks for the tip, definitely can’t machine that kinda stuff. Might end up going that route if unless I stay with the original front end
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 03:41:44 AM »
I don’t know the diameter difference between the stock 350 and R1, but, if you have the ability to machine things, you could probably ream the stock hub bearing seats to accommodate the R1 axle. Probably. That would require the fabrication of a new retainer, rotor adapter plates, and some axle spacers. All very achievable if you have equipment, skills, and time.

The Cognito hub is by far a more elegant solution and is already solved. Plug and play, if you will. You should also know that using their hub (and perhaps if you modify the stock hub) they use an inside-inside spoke lacing pattern to keep the spokes away from the calipers and still reach the rim. It requires a different spoke length than stock, so custom spokes for stock or Cognito are required for an R1 conversion to a laced wheel.

Swapping in the front end, you are changing the fork offset from stock steering geometry. Something to keep into consideration. You are bringing the forks closer to the engine, so be aware of potential conflicts to the exhaust (not normally an issue on the 350 with a USD conversion).

As for “Scramblers” in general, they re not well suited as 4 cylinders. Almost every one I can think of that was factory made are twins or singles. The added weight, width and mass don’t lend themselves well to the function of Xroad riding. But I get the aesthetic appeal you’re considering. Since it likely won’t be a Xroad rider in fact, you can abandon some of the constraints and resolve the high pipe routing for a 4:2. That will be enough of a challenge.

Anxious to see what you come up with  :)
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2018, 10:33:31 AM »
Thanks cal. It sounds like way too much work and money to go with the swap. I can’t machine stuff on my own and seems like just getting the front end swap will be a huge part of the budget. Might consider just doing the whole swap with the r1 wheels. Front and rear swap so wheels match. Or just go with the stock forks, swingarm and wheels.
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2018, 01:20:35 PM »
Swapping front ends is pricey.  I think even machining parts myself I have $800 plus my time in the swap.  $250 for the forks, $550 for the custom rim and spokes + lacing, the steering stem and adapters were machined out of scrap bin material from my last job.  If you have to buy a hub and stem your probably looking at $1200 or so.

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2018, 02:16:42 PM »
One thing to definitely keep in mind is going to the 17" r1 wheels will lower the bike and tire selection will be tough for those wheels.  Lacing to a 18" will give you height and options. 


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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2018, 08:46:42 PM »
after deciding i don't want to spend that much money on just the front end im going with the original setup. found a triple tree on ebay so ill be putting it together to at least see how it sits and start planning the look. thanks for all the tips guys
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2018, 08:54:35 AM »
One thing to definitely keep in mind is going to the 17" r1 wheels will lower the bike and tire selection will be tough for those wheels.  Lacing to a 18" will give you height and options. 


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I'm not sure I follow.  Tire choices for 17" wheels are MUCH more plentiful than for 18" wheels.
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2018, 08:57:22 AM »
One thing to definitely keep in mind is going to the 17" r1 wheels will lower the bike and tire selection will be tough for those wheels.  Lacing to a 18" will give you height and options. 


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I'm not sure I follow.  Tire choices for 17" wheels are MUCH more plentiful than for 18" wheels.

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2018, 11:37:45 AM »
Lots of supermoto and adventure touring bikes use 17s.  I'm running shinko 705s which are a chunky looking 80/20 tire in 17s. 

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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2018, 05:45:30 PM »
Not saying there aren’t options, but there are more with a wheel size outside of a 17


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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 01:51:22 PM »
got around to putting the triple tree on, forks, swingarm, rear shocks and wheels to get a roller and start mock up of everything else
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Re: 1973 CB350F Build
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 01:52:09 PM »
got the frame loop welded up and found an old rear fender/splash guard laying around and tried to see if i can do anything with it. i have it temporarily installed and seeing how it looks. it would need mounts on the side holes coming down from the frame to get more snug up against the frame hoop.
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