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I think the battery is fine but has died from me trying to start it.

Should I carry carb cleaner on me? What do you guys do? Carry one of those jumper batteries? I think one of the brands is schumacher that you find at Walmart.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 08:27:21 PM »
Use a battery maintainer when not riding. If the battery starts getting low then turn off your headlight if you have a switch or pull the headlight fuse. Hopefully you will not need to jump it.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 08:32:24 PM »
I've had a dead battery many times on carbed, and even FI bikes. Bump starting isn't hard, even on big bikes (I've done 750s and even 1000s no problem). But on bikes I don't ride often, like my old restorations, I use a battery tender jr as necessary.

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 08:48:05 PM »
Thanks

Okay, it's not the battery I'm finding here. I had a coworker try to jump start me but it's just not catching. It tried but won't hold.

So this is a fairly new issue and seemingly related to the bike just generally being finicky starting up.

So I'm wondering what is causing this, what could improve this condition if it's possible to tell exactly what it is. I feel if I had a small can of carb cleaner that would get it going as that is what I've used at home lately. I currently don't have either an airbox or filter on. Could that make it harder to start? Could spark strength be involved or timing? Once it gets going it runs great as far as I can tell.

I've got a tow truck coming for me but I'd like to get to the bottom of this. Spark plugs? Distributor(or whatever that part is called). Is it just the bike and the cold weather? I know they didn't make em to operate like this but I read a lot about the starting problems just being common on these, or just old bikes.... What can I do? Well now I guess I'm just going to be starting from scratch with a non-starting bike.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 09:18:10 PM »
Thanks

Okay, it's not the battery I'm finding here. I had a coworker try to jump start me but it's just not catching. It tried but won't hold.

So this is a fairly new issue and seemingly related to the bike just generally being finicky starting up.

So I'm wondering what is causing this, what could improve this condition if it's possible to tell exactly what it is. I feel if I had a small can of carb cleaner that would get it going as that is what I've used at home lately. I currently don't have either an airbox or filter on. Could that make it harder to start? Could spark strength be involved or timing? Once it gets going it runs great as far as I can tell.

I've got a tow truck coming for me but I'd like to get to the bottom of this. Spark plugs? Distributor(or whatever that part is called). Is it just the bike and the cold weather? I know they didn't make em to operate like this but I read a lot about the starting problems just being common on these, or just old bikes.... What can I do? Well now I guess I'm just going to be starting from scratch with a non-starting bike.

No airbox/filter could definitely make it hard to start, and could even have damaged things...

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2018, 09:27:22 PM »
Thanks

Okay, it's not the battery I'm finding here. I had a coworker try to jump start me but it's just not catching. It tried but won't hold.

So this is a fairly new issue and seemingly related to the bike just generally being finicky starting up.

So I'm wondering what is causing this, what could improve this condition if it's possible to tell exactly what it is. I feel if I had a small can of carb cleaner that would get it going as that is what I've used at home lately. I currently don't have either an airbox or filter on. Could that make it harder to start? Could spark strength be involved or timing? Once it gets going it runs great as far as I can tell.

I've got a tow truck coming for me but I'd like to get to the bottom of this. Spark plugs? Distributor(or whatever that part is called). Is it just the bike and the cold weather? I know they didn't make em to operate like this but I read a lot about the starting problems just being common on these, or just old bikes.... What can I do? Well now I guess I'm just going to be starting from scratch with a non-starting bike.

No airbox/filter could definitely make it hard to start, and could even have damaged things...

Sucks. Well it's been only a couple days and I read someone didn't even use an airbox on a bike for years. I'm not planning to. I've got a pair of K&N filters (two pods, two carbs each) coming in the mail. Bike has run fine, other than the starting issue which I've always had but hasn't left me stranded till now.

How much fuel do you need? Just enough to fill the bowls right?
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 09:38:54 PM »
Numerous things can cause hard to start issues.  Valves out of adjustment, air leak from bad intake boots, not running filters and not having it jetted for that would make it hard to start.  650's are known for issues with the charging rotors and brushes going bad too


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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 09:57:43 PM »
This is the kind of stuff the guys in some of your other threads were trying to get you to understand. If I recall you have cracked carb to engine rubbers. If that's right then that won't help it start . Add to that no air box or filters and the jetting not dialed in.........again hard starting. This is why so many have been telling you to work on one thing at a time and get that part right.

Now add to the mix whatever you have done to the electrical system with the heated grips and USB port on top of a charging system that isn't known to be the highest output and you reap what you sow. Squirting carb cleaner in it to get it started is like putting lipstick on a pig, the pig might look good but you still wouldn't want to kiss it!

My advise at this point for you is stop doing stuff to your bike. Instead make a list with 2 columns, one for EVERYTHING you have done mod wise to your bike, the other list ALL the issues you are having. Study the cause and effect of each one then you can see how they are connected.

I really admire your enthusiasm for this bike, but you should slow down a bit and come up with a plan of attac. That will make it much easier for people to help you. That and digest some of the excellent help you have already recieved.

But that's just my $.02
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 10:04:42 PM »
 And dont let your bike become further out of whack..
 Because then it gets way harder to fix, or to get people to help you.,
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2018, 12:19:48 AM »
This is the kind of stuff the guys in some of your other threads were trying to get you to understand. If I recall you have cracked carb to engine rubbers. If that's right then that won't help it start . Add to that no air box or filters and the jetting not dialed in.........again hard starting. This is why so many have been telling you to work on one thing at a time and get that part right.

Now add to the mix whatever you have done to the electrical system with the heated grips and USB port on top of a charging system that isn't known to be the highest output and you reap what you sow. Squirting carb cleaner in it to get it started is like putting lipstick on a pig, the pig might look good but you still wouldn't want to kiss it!

My advise at this point for you is stop doing stuff to your bike. Instead make a list with 2 columns, one for EVERYTHING you have done mod wise to your bike, the other list ALL the issues you are having. Study the cause and effect of each one then you can see how they are connected.

I really admire your enthusiasm for this bike, but you should slow down a bit and come up with a plan of attac. That will make it much easier for people to help you. That and digest some of the excellent help you have already recieved.

But that's just my $.02

It's what I'm doing.

So the tow truck guy had some carb cleaner. Did the trick. Never had to call a towing svc. Then again I've only recently been riding more since I first got this bike.

It was quite a cold night and that was the first time that I tried to start the bike in this cold temp as I been starting it in my garage at least and have troubles there. And usually as I've been out I haven't left the bike outside for too long to get too cold.

So I think the issue was the temp. And in starting to feel this is normal for this bike but if a lot of you guys are further up north where it's a lot colder this can't be normal. You (alls) must have to do (dial?) your jets right or something. Anyone have a stock bike up north that starts rigtt in the coldest weather?

My boots are fine. I lathered that one up with shellac and put that crack on the underside, strapped the carbs up so it wouldn't hang.

Airbox off waiting on pod filters to arrive. Okay, so even colder start without an air box right? Colder, leaner, even harder to start.

I'm just trying to learn here. Sorry if you guys are getting more frustrated than I am with all I'm doing. I'm a masochist maybe. It starts with an idea to try to accomplish something. If it doesn't work out in the end I just want to learn.

Cold air itself affects the engine right? And the colder it is the more fuel you need right?

I don't think anything is 'wrong' with the bike so much as a lot of you would say is how I treat it. But I still think it's doing pretty good.

I think at this point an upgrade in jet sizes is in order if I'm not wrong about my current lean in cold weather condition.

Battery is currently fine. Just gets tired trying to start the bike. By the first attempt is always strong. Got both my grips and usb/voltage meter thingie hooked up behind a fuse behind the ignition, grips with a relay and the grips work NICE. And my voltage meter keeps me up to date on the battery.

What about the ignition system? Probably has a lot to do with how well it starts. I've heard/read about the quality of your spark. But I've only confirmed I have it and it delivers on time. Maybe my spark is weak?

One thing at a time? Well right now my one main concern is starting in cold weather(I believe). I think I need to richen my mix and possibly replace something in the ignition system. Plugs, distributor?

One thing at a time. Since in waiting my pod filters I'll (dual up?) my jets first, richen my mix then see what happens.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2018, 12:25:10 AM »
And dont let your bike become further out of whack..
 Because then it gets way harder to fix, or to get people to help you.,

Just help me learn how these things work so I break mine less. It's actually doing pretty good. It's just my erratic behavior that frustrates you.But I think besides the valve I bent before from not understanding the instructions on valve clearance and a few semi costly mishaps I've done good with this bike
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2018, 02:11:31 AM »
erratic behaviour?you should hear what your bike says about you?

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2018, 02:36:15 AM »
Mine starts fine at 30 degrees F... I just use the choke.. but I kickstart it.
 Actually it starts on 2 cylinders, then a few seconds later the others kick In. Might be my battery..
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2018, 03:13:34 AM »
 We could give you all sorts of advice, but you seem to ignore it and plow ahead anyway.

 You're in southwest Florida. Why do you even need heated grips? How cold can it possibly get down there? Let me guess...you ride without hand protection.

 The CB650 is known as a hard starter. But mostly it has a HOT start problem.
 The CB650 has an accelerator pump and there are TINY little ports that spray a little fuel in at low speed operation. It is VERY hard to get those orifices clean. Could have something to do with having to use carb cleaner, which is NOT normal at all.
 We told you all about pods, jetting, duct tape, coffee filters, cracked intake boots, etc. You reap what you sow.

 Just think: $~60 for new air box rubber and ~$80 for OEM intake manifolds and you wouldn't be having any of the carb issues.
 And ~$45 for a good set of gloves and I'd be willing to bet most of the electrical wouldn't have been problems.

 BTW: My 550 had sat for at least 2 months. Went out there yesterday to run some fresh gas through it. Temp was about 42 degrees. I keep a pig tail on all my batteries and had topped off the battery the night before. With the stock intake system, I was running it up and down the street about 45 seconds after I tried to get it going.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2018, 03:19:48 AM »
#$%* I got old chainsaws thatll start up after a year with the same fuel,and they aint even got heated hand grips!
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2018, 03:35:58 AM »
well to go back and answer the original question the only answer is to be sure to have a properly operating charging system combined with a good fully charged battery.

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2018, 03:40:38 AM »
 And tune the carbs so that you don't crank it until the battery dies.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2018, 04:04:34 AM »
forget juntoos question those saws are #$%*ing classics!both heavy duty old "muscle saws"all metal and minimal plastics,they go like souped up dirt bikes and im sure they'll out run the new models of the same calibre?heavy though but that helps cutting wood,good bite don't even slow the rpm down,might put pods on em?

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2018, 04:12:24 AM »
I live in Connecticut and never have starting issues with my 750K2. If it’s cold out I just have to let it warm up a little longer before riding but it never fails to start with minimal choke.

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2018, 04:12:50 AM »
oops.

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2018, 06:12:19 AM »
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2018, 06:18:24 AM »
Second what others have said, you are getting spot on advice and continue to go against it "to do your own thing".  Then wonder why you have issues.  All of the things you have done will create problems.  You keep talking about wanting it easier to pull your carbs, if you set them up properly and clean them well, you don't pull them off often at all.  Here's a list of things that you can and do impact your cold start that you have yet to address.  And like others have said, your bike is setup correctly will start fine in the cold.
1-removed airbox and left the jetting
2-damaged intakes
3-who knows if your valve clearance is in spec
4-are your carbs clean? pilot jet and accel pump?

I'm not sure why you ask questions and then continue to go against it on here.  You're getting great advice and continue to go against it and then post up wondering why you have an issue.

Do the bike and favor and get it setup correctly.  adjust your valves, clean the carbs, check float level, replace the intake boots, put the airbox back on, check charging system, replace plugs and check timing.  And then ride it with no problems
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2018, 07:15:09 AM »
oops.

Hey Dave....do you have that video that shows how to kick start your bike?

That may help him?!
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2018, 08:59:09 AM »
oops.

Hey Dave....do you have that video that shows how to kick start your bike?

That may help him?!

 Not on a 650, it won't!
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2018, 10:55:57 AM »




My boots are fine. I lathered that one up with shellac and put that crack on the underside, strapped the carbs up so it wouldn't hang.



So you put the crack on the underside so you couldn't see it?  ::) Kind of like turning the radio up so the knocking sound goes away  ;D

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