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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2018, 11:28:54 AM »
 Seriously, is he not playing us for the fool?
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2018, 11:32:37 AM »
I hope he's just f-ing around. otherwise he's killing that bike.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2018, 02:14:25 PM »
I wear gloves. I guess I just Don't adjust well to the cold here when it arrives all of the sudden.

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2018, 03:25:34 PM »
Mine starts fine at 30 degrees F... I just use the choke.. but I kickstart it.
 Actually it starts on 2 cylinders, then a few seconds later the others kick In. Might be my battery..

I kinda wish I had a kick starter. Less electrical parts to worry about and it keeps your leg strength in check. Just wish you could use it on either side of the bike for a balanced workout.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2018, 03:40:49 PM »
We could give you all sorts of advice, but you seem to ignore it and plow ahead anyway.

 You're in southwest Florida. Why do you even need heated grips? How cold can it possibly get down there? Let me guess...you ride without hand protection.

 The CB650 is known as a hard starter. But mostly it has a HOT start problem.
 The CB650 has an accelerator pump and there are TINY little ports that spray a little fuel in at low speed operation. It is VERY hard to get those orifices clean. Could have something to do with having to use carb cleaner, which is NOT normal at all.
 We told you all about pods, jetting, duct tape, coffee filters, cracked intake boots, etc. You reap what you sow.

 Just think: $~60 for new air box rubber and ~$80 for OEM intake manifolds and you wouldn't be having any of the carb issues.
 And ~$45 for a good set of gloves and I'd be willing to bet most of the electrical wouldn't have been problems.

 BTW: My 550 had sat for at least 2 months. Went out there yesterday to run some fresh gas through it. Temp was about 42 degrees. I keep a pig tail on all my batteries and had topped off the battery the night before. With the stock intake system, I was running it up and down the street about 45 seconds after I tried to get it going.

I did clean my carbs inside and out last year and recall the last part of it confirming the accel pump working through all four holes. Fuel is taken from there during starting? I've yet to fully understand how the carbs work. I wish there was a video on my carbs. I will 'pump' it with the throttle when starting if need be, but I'm not sure it's ever really helped.

When the bike starts, it just does so after the first couple cranks and really a slow speed. So regardless of my battery juice, if it doesn't start on the first two cranks I let go and wait. It has never started after cranking for more than a second if ya get what I'm saying. It's like it says 'I need some carb cleaner pls'.

So I keep a can on me now. It may partly be due to no airbox currently as I remember having some issues before. I think new plugs is worth a shot. If no difference I'll just hold onto them. So when starting/no throttle, where/how is fuel being delivered? What's the best fuel? I'm using the the expensive stuff. There are a group of holes, then a single hole, then the main jet right? Is the group for the accel pump? Single hole for idle circuit and main jet for... I think I read like 1/4 throttle and up? So the single and/or group of holes +... Is it proper vacuum or air pressure?

With full choke, airbox or no airbox shouldn't make a difference no? Please, we're just talking starting, not total operation. I just wanna learn this stuff.

Thanks! Sorry again for the frustration. And yes I wear gloves. I'm from California where it was a lot colder but I got so acclimated to this heat that when I the cold comes I guess I don't adjust.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2018, 03:47:11 PM »




My boots are fine. I lathered that one up with shellac and put that crack on the underside, strapped the carbs up so it wouldn't hang.



So you put the crack on the underside so you couldn't see it?  ::) Kind of like turning the radio up so the knocking sound goes away  ;D

No, crack was on top due to the weight of carbs hanging so I put it underneath... you get it.

And this shellac stuff I bought worked great on my old boots. They don't charge $8/oz for nothing. And it's easy enough to check for a leak and without an airbox so much easier to replace.

For my riding/racing level my engine performs fine. If this airbox less mod you should applaud me. I'm not just looking to ride. I enjoy working on and learning about my bike. If it doesn't work you'll all get to say you told me so and have a friggin party lol.

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2018, 04:06:39 PM »
 I can promise you,  your bike is NOT saying "I need some carb cleaner please ".

 Like we've been telling you for days, your air/fuel mixture is wrong. Off. Not right. Incorrect.  Bad.
 It is that way for several reasons,  all of which have been covered in several different threads.

 There's also a known fix. Or, just can just keep on keeping on
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2018, 04:13:23 PM »




My boots are fine. I lathered that one up with shellac and put that crack on the underside, strapped the carbs up so it wouldn't hang.



So you put the crack on the underside so you couldn't see it?  ::) Kind of like turning the radio up so the knocking sound goes away  ;D

No, crack was on top due to the weight of carbs hanging so I put it underneath... you get it.

And this shellac stuff I bought worked great on my old boots. They don't charge $8/oz for nothing. And it's easy enough to check for a leak and without an airbox so much easier to replace.

For my riding/racing level my engine performs fine. If this airbox less mod you should applaud me. I'm not just looking to ride. I enjoy working on and learning about my bike. If it doesn't work you'll all get to say you told me so and have a friggin party lol.

Alright dude, I'll give you credit for having fun. If it's just a matter of enjoying making it work and having fun working on it, go for it. That fun tends to turn into frustration, which turns into bike destruction for a lot of people, and these guys are trying to help you bypass frustration and destruction.

I have a KLR650 which I do those "f*ck around and have fun" mods to. I made it a personal challenge to get it running and driving for exactly $0 beyond purchase, and succeeded, but it's a modern-ish bike (CV carbs make a HUGE difference), and only one cylinder to get frustrated at. But if this is that bike for you, more power to you, make it happen, just don't expect these enthusiasts to not give you #$%* for it :P

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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2018, 04:45:42 PM »
 Juntjoo, check your PM's.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2018, 09:05:19 PM »
I can promise you,  your bike is NOT saying "I need some carb cleaner please ".

 Like we've been telling you for days, your air/fuel mixture is wrong. Off. Not right. Incorrect.  Bad.
 It is that way for several reasons,  all of which have been covered in several different threads.

 There's also a known fix. Or, just can just keep on keeping on

Well not exactly. Or at least I'm not getting a clear single message. I'm getting 'your air/fuel mix is off' yes, and 'all your troubles are do to having no airbox.

And that info doesn't really educate me or conclude anything and unless/til I get new conclusive info I just go about my ways and Im willing to end up paying for an education especially with quick fixes. I like to learn first hand. I'm a masochist. There. I said it. I don't k ow if I really am but maybe a little. I like spicy food.... But I rarely just do what people tell me. Everyone has their own ideas and opinions, and I've got mine, good or not, but I just don't trust other people. I gather info.

BUT... If I'm clearly missing something someone has explained pls inform. Something concrete. Not, 'in my years of riding, I've never seen a dude riding a pink bike get laid' cuz a statement like that might encourage me to repaint my bike
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2018, 12:36:34 AM »
 Ok 2 things
 You admit you don't know how your carbs work..
And second , i bet you don't know how to read your plugs... and by that I do not mean pull them out and look at them. I mean a proper plug chop, then inspect them..
 So you homework for the next few weeks  is to brush up on those things.

 We cant help you if you don't know how to read your plugs.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2018, 03:25:04 AM »


Well not exactly. Or at least I'm not getting a clear single message. I'm getting 'your air/fuel mix is off' yes, and 'all your troubles are do to having no airbox.

And that info doesn't really educate me or conclude anything and unless/til I get new conclusive info I just go about my ways and Im willing to end up paying for an education especially with quick fixes.

BUT... If I'm clearly missing something someone has explained pls inform. Something concrete.


 Dude! That IS the answer!
 And if you keep doing things the way you're doing them, you'll pay for it with a damaged engine. Hell, between the wiring and the carbs, you could burn the thing to the ground!


 OK, here goes. I'm no expert, but I'll try to explain this as best I can.

 A carb's job is to correctly mix/meter fuel and air. You have CV carbs which use engine vacuum and diaphragms to lift the slides. In MOST CASES, CV carbs prefer a large volume of still air to draw from, also known as....wait for it... an AIR BOX. That's why i suggested using the K&N type dual pods. They at least share a throat/pulses and can ease in tuning.
 Tuning is NOT slapping in a bigger main jet.

 Your carbs are from the EPA period. Eeveryone (Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, et al) were jetting lean in order to meet new EPA standards. That's why your mixture screws had those ears on them. They didn't want the customer to "fatten up" the mixture by adding more fuel (or less air) and making the bike "dirty".

 Because it was lean, they added a circuit to squirt a little extra fuel in just off idle. Some people called these type carbs "pumper carbs" and, in the right circumstances, can even have a performance benefit. That's what you accelerator pump does. It only works just off idle and it just gives it a squirt. If you keep pumping/twisting the throttle when the bike isn't running, you're just squirting raw fuel into the engine. After that first bit of throttle, the accelerator pump doesn't keep squirting.
 You said those circuits were clean, but there's also an adjustment for when those squirts start.

 Your mixture screws (the one with the ears you ground off) control....mixture. It's the fuel/air mix and on your carbs they control fuel. Screw the in and you cut off fuel, making the mixture lean. Screw them out and they add fuel, making the mixture rich.
 They primarily have an effect at idle and just off idle. Say, 1/4 throttle or so. However, they do continue to pull air and have something of an effect over the entire rev range.

 Your pilot screws are the ones that are pressed in on your carbs. That kinda sucks, because it makes them difficult to clean or change. There's not a huge assortment of different pilot jets for those carbs anyway.
 They are also often referred to as "slow jets" or "low speed jets". After idle, as you start opening the throttle, these jets start having an effect. When you're riding around town at lower RPM's, you spend most of your time on the jets/mixture screws we've talked about, plus the needle.

 The needle is that needle looking thing attached to the slides/rubber diaphragms. Shocking, I know.
 It has a specific taper to it and it matched to an emulsion tube. The emulsion tube is not just a "straw with little holes drilled in it". It also has an inner taper, matched to the needle. These tapers and profiles have a HUGE effect on the air/fuel mixture. Serious racers keep several sets on hand and can tune the mixture throughout the rev range, depending on tracks, conditions, etc.
 At part throttle, you are on the "fat" part of the needle. It is somewhat restricting air through the main jet (we'll get to that in a minute) and the emulsion tube. As the needle rises, the taper gets "skinny" and more air/fuel mixture is added. You are now at half throttle and above.
 Some bikes have clips so you can raise or lower the needles for tuning. CV carbs aren't quite as easy and I don't remember if the 650 carbs are easily adjustable or not, or at all. Some people can shim them with tiny washers, but don't even go there right now.

 The main jet is the "big" jet or "top end" jet. You are almost always drawing SOMETHING through the main jet/needle/emulsion tube. But because you're on the "fat" part of the needle at lower speeds/throttle openings, the main jet size doesn't really have a big effect until you are well past half throttle. Probably 3/4 throttle all the way to WFO.
 That's why "I'll just go up two sizes on the main" is not a proper way to "jet for pods". Unless you plan on riding around near redline all the time.

  This is a very basic explanation. All of the circuits/jets have some overlap as you go throughout the rev range; as you open the throttle.

 Honda had a bunch of very experienced, well trained engineers that developed your bike. That box under the seat holds a volume of air and an air filter (and not a can of carb cleaner and shellac) for a reason.

 There's a proper way to tune the mixture screws. Do you remember where you set yours? How many turns out from seated?

 Do you know how to read spark plugs (that's why I mentioned in the other thread about picking up a few sets when you ordered jets).

 Did you order any main jets? What sizes? Order two sizes up from stock and two sizes down (yes, it is entirely possible that you may have to jet leaner....it wouldn't be the first time).

 You are currently riding around with a very messed up air fuel mixture. That's why you have trouble starting the bike. The 650 had  a marginal charging system anyway, so you kill your battery. We could talk about the brushes for the alternator or even cleaning the starter motor, but one thing at a time, for now.

 To be clear:
 * Using carb cleaner for each start is NOT normal and not good for the bike.

 * The busted intake boot is NOT normal or good for the bike. (Also, see if you can round up the proper clamps).
 
 * Improper air/fuel mix, which you currently have, is NOT normal or good for the bike.

 * stock jetting and exhaust with pods is probably NOT a good combo.

 I can't make it much clearer than this.
 
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2018, 05:04:36 AM »
Juntjoo, I strongly advise you to bring the bike back to the state you acquired it or -even better- to the standard it came of the production line. Reading over all your posts, I cannot but conclude you lack knowledge and are too spontaneous in 'solving' this and that. What I learned over the years, there are a looooot of details and they all matter. You seem a bit quick to assume you know what to do and with Scott S I must warn you: there's a real danger you will end up with a very rotten bike. You simply don't know what you don't know right now.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2018, 06:35:58 AM »


Well not exactly. Or at least I'm not getting a clear single message. I'm getting 'your air/fuel mix is off' yes, and 'all your troubles are do to having no airbox.

And that info doesn't really educate me or conclude anything and unless/til I get new conclusive info I just go about my ways and Im willing to end up paying for an education especially with quick fixes.

BUT... If I'm clearly missing something someone has explained pls inform. Something concrete.


 Dude! That IS the answer!
 And if you keep doing things the way you're doing them, you'll pay for it with a damaged engine. Hell, between the wiring and the carbs, you could burn the thing to the ground!


 OK, here goes. I'm no expert, but I'll try to explain this as best I can.

 A carb's job is to correctly mix/meter fuel and air. You have CV carbs which use engine vacuum and diaphragms to lift the slides. In MOST CASES, CV carbs prefer a large volume of still air to draw from, also known as....wait for it... an AIR BOX. That's why i suggested using the K&N type dual pods. They at least share a throat/pulses and can ease in tuning.
 Tuning is NOT slapping in a bigger main jet.

 Your carbs are from the EPA period. Eeveryone (Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, et al) were jetting lean in order to meet new EPA standards. That's why your mixture screws had those ears on them. They didn't want the customer to "fatten up" the mixture by adding more fuel (or less air) and making the bike "dirty".

 Because it was lean, they added a circuit to squirt a little extra fuel in just off idle. Some people called these type carbs "pumper carbs" and, in the right circumstances, can even have a performance benefit. That's what you accelerator pump does. It only works just off idle and it just gives it a squirt. If you keep pumping/twisting the throttle when the bike isn't running, you're just squirting raw fuel into the engine. After that first bit of throttle, the accelerator pump doesn't keep squirting.
 You said those circuits were clean, but there's also an adjustment for when those squirts start.

 Your mixture screws (the one with the ears you ground off) control....mixture. It's the fuel/air mix and on your carbs they control fuel. Screw the in and you cut off fuel, making the mixture lean. Screw them out and they add fuel, making the mixture rich.
 They primarily have an effect at idle and just off idle. Say, 1/4 throttle or so. However, they do continue to pull air and have something of an effect over the entire rev range.

 Your pilot screws are the ones that are pressed in on your carbs. That kinda sucks, because it makes them difficult to clean or change. There's not a huge assortment of different pilot jets for those carbs anyway.
 They are also often referred to as "slow jets" or "low speed jets". After idle, as you start opening the throttle, these jets start having an effect. When you're riding around town at lower RPM's, you spend most of your time on the jets/mixture screws we've talked about, plus the needle.

 The needle is that needle looking thing attached to the slides/rubber diaphragms. Shocking, I know.
 It has a specific taper to it and it matched to an emulsion tube. The emulsion tube is not just a "straw with little holes drilled in it". It also has an inner taper, matched to the needle. These tapers and profiles have a HUGE effect on the air/fuel mixture. Serious racers keep several sets on hand and can tune the mixture throughout the rev range, depending on tracks, conditions, etc.
 At part throttle, you are on the "fat" part of the needle. It is somewhat restricting air through the main jet (we'll get to that in a minute) and the emulsion tube. As the needle rises, the taper gets "skinny" and more air/fuel mixture is added. You are now at half throttle and above.
 Some bikes have clips so you can raise or lower the needles for tuning. CV carbs aren't quite as easy and I don't remember if the 650 carbs are easily adjustable or not, or at all. Some people can shim them with tiny washers, but don't even go there right now.

 The main jet is the "big" jet or "top end" jet. You are almost always drawing SOMETHING through the main jet/needle/emulsion tube. But because you're on the "fat" part of the needle at lower speeds/throttle openings, the main jet size doesn't really have a big effect until you are well past half throttle. Probably 3/4 throttle all the way to WFO.
 That's why "I'll just go up two sizes on the main" is not a proper way to "jet for pods". Unless you plan on riding around near redline all the time.

  This is a very basic explanation. All of the circuits/jets have some overlap as you go throughout the rev range; as you open the throttle.

 Honda had a bunch of very experienced, well trained engineers that developed your bike. That box under the seat holds a volume of air and an air filter (and not a can of carb cleaner and shellac) for a reason.

 There's a proper way to tune the mixture screws. Do you remember where you set yours? How many turns out from seated?

 Do you know how to read spark plugs (that's why I mentioned in the other thread about picking up a few sets when you ordered jets).

 Did you order any main jets? What sizes? Order two sizes up from stock and two sizes down (yes, it is entirely possible that you may have to jet leaner....it wouldn't be the first time).

 You are currently riding around with a very messed up air fuel mixture. That's why you have trouble starting the bike. The 650 had  a marginal charging system anyway, so you kill your battery. We could talk about the brushes for the alternator or even cleaning the starter motor, but one thing at a time, for now.

 To be clear:
 * Using carb cleaner for each start is NOT normal and not good for the bike.

 * The busted intake boot is NOT normal or good for the bike. (Also, see if you can round up the proper clamps).
 
 * Improper air/fuel mix, which you currently have, is NOT normal or good for the bike.

 * stock jetting and exhaust with pods is probably NOT a good combo.

 I can't make it much clearer than this.

Wow, thanks, I'll have to take some time with this. Thanks. Lots of info. I'll be back...
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2018, 06:39:21 AM »
Ok 2 things
 You admit you don't know how your carbs work..
And second , i bet you don't know how to read your plugs... and by that I do not mean pull them out and look at them. I mean a proper plug chop, then inspect them..
 So you homework for the next few weeks  is to brush up on those things.

 We cant help you if you don't know how to read your plugs.

Yes, I don't know what a "plug chop" is. I've only done the basic check your manual covers. I will look into it and do my "homework" along with reading over Scott's post. Thanks!
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2018, 07:15:17 AM »
Juntjoo, I strongly advise you to bring the bike back to the state you acquired it or -even better- to the standard it came of the production line. Reading over all your posts, I cannot but conclude you lack knowledge and are too spontaneous in 'solving' this and that. What I learned over the years, there are a looooot of details and they all matter. You seem a bit quick to assume you know what to do and with Scott S I must warn you: there's a real danger you will end up with a very rotten bike. You simply don't know what you don't know right now.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2018, 07:20:13 AM »
 You two take that crap to PM.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2018, 08:46:14 AM »
ok , i'll bite .   Having been wrenching on my own cars and bikes for 40 years ( way before the internet ) i always love to say " i don't know " and then seek out whatever books and workshop manuals i needed to expand my knowledge base , along with whatever tools i needed along the way . I still love saying that i don't know about a subject so that i can learn and be a better mechanic and diagnostician ( not just a parts changer w/o knowing why ) . Also , i love sharing what i know with people that want to learn and have an open mind ( key point ) . Having said that , it appears that the OP is bucking what the highly experienced people on this board are trying to HELP you with . I suggest you get several books such as " Motorcycle Carburettor Manual  by Pete Shoemaker  " and your shop manual and some basic books on how engines work . You are lucky that you live in a time when all the info. you need is at your fingertips along with a dedicated bunch of helpful people on this site in almost
 real time . Your snarky replies and attitude that you are not buying "that part" is counterproductive and you will eventually be typing to an empty room.

I had a body guy who owned a beautiful 6cyl. Maserati Merak and would spray starting fluid down the Webers everytime he went to start it .  I guess he liked to "wash" his cylinders every day . He looked like a damn fool doing it and was slowly killing his car a little bit each day.

Take everyone's advice and get your bike back to stock specs eat some humble pie . This thread has shifted from a tech topic  to a psychological topic i believe    ).


 A motorcycle can be a very dangerous thing when it is not prepared properly , do you really want to cobble something together that can ultimately hurt you or some innocent bystander ? 
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2018, 10:45:00 PM »
Ben, I hope you are getting all your homework done. I have a couple of things for ya.

First,  I didn't mean to start a public stoning of you at the start of this thread. It does seem like there are a lot of others who had the same take on things as I had. Don't be afraid to continue asking questions, just be prepared to follow along with where these guys are trying to lead  you. If you don't understand say so, don't make up your own reality as to how things work. They will be more than happy to explain all the mysteries of the infernal combustion engine. What Scott took the time to type out for you on carburetors is what a lot of us take as second nature, to a newbie it all sounds like greek. Scott has been saintly patient trying to help you, so return The favor and listen to what he is telling you.

That brings me to the second point. CARBURETOR ADJUSTMENTS ARE THE LAST THING YOU WORK ON. All the other systems must be working /set properly BEFORE screwing with the carbs.

I hope you are making progress on your bike and education. Again I'm sorry for stirring up the online spanking and hope there are no hard feelings.

Good luck, Jim
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2018, 02:05:17 AM »
... the infernal combustion engine.
I like that.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2018, 01:20:21 PM »
Well everyone has different purposes and modes of operation. I can only guess you went to the corner store for gas. You may have been checking out dirty magazines. Or maybe you were escaping your wife momentarily. Or maybe you jogged there for your health.

Or MAYBE, just maybe, behind the store's dumpster is where you meet up with this loner teenage space alien who's found someone(you) who they can relate to and talk about how mean aliens and people can be and  plans for earth etc which isn't anything you could ever explain to anyone.

And maybe you don't even know for sure. But you go home and say to your scowling wife 'honey, you weren't in the mood and I was horny, that's all. Oh and I needed some gas... and a turkey sandwich.' So let's not be so quick to assume we know necessarily what's best for other people.

Okay, so all I want to know right now is what drill sizes do I need to step up my jets a stage(then two). I got that in my Google history somewhere. I think I've got #38 slow jet and 118 mains. Is "mains" slang or something? Do you have to say it with an accent? Like with a twang? Never heard it before here.  ...Got a shiny brand new stock set from my rebuild kit as spares. I wanna see how my bike responds to the air/fuel mix. Also of course if there's something I'm missing feel free to fill me in. I know I'm flawed. Specificity helps. 'you don't think like the hive' doesn't.

It might not be the absolute best use of my time.  But who's to decide and who even knows? Not you. If so you'd be in your best possible place right now in your life. Doubt that. Maybe, JUST maybe you're in your best place here laughing at me.  Maybe your emotional efforts would be better invested in worrying about what you're not fixing or what's about to break in your life. Lol, I don't know who I'm talking to. Just a general voice I guess.

And one of you left me that message on my YouTube vid. I think these are all grown men responsible for their own time. I'd hate to think I'd have the power to control what you do with yours.

You think I should just buy jets factory machine made? I wanna use my drill and see what happens. I might learn I've got a great drilling arm. Maybe I'll break my bike and lose everything I've invested in it. Maybe I'm taking the expression "fail forward fast" a bit too literally. I'm practicing. Let me learn.

And I'm being "snarky"? That's one way to look at it. I'm just trying to make up my own mind if you dont.

Anyway, these dumb K&N pods don't even fit. Possibly squeeze against frame but with side covers no way. Unless I cut them. Hmm... I don't think you can find but a left side only on ebay at the moment.

That's it for now. Just learning. Want to see if this helps my cold start issue.

Scott, if my starting mixture is too lean for my cold start why can't twisting the throttle get me that extra fuel needed to start? In the end I may end up putting the box back in(and no, not just a couple bolts. Gotta remove the battery seat/case, PITA) and find it solves my starting prob. Just wanna try this out and see what happens and learn how this works. Probably should double check the accel pump function.

My 1, 2, & 3 plugs look more lean than ever. How 'bad' are mine? Turning out pilot screws didn't seem to change.

1,2,3 & 4 https://imgur.com/a/6o99oXo

I think the valve clearances are good. No 'clacking' like before. Bike seems to run fine except that now it's leaner and more subject to the atmosphere.

Do I gotta check my timing again? Could that cause the start problem but not be evident otherwise? I doubt that but anyone feel strongly different? Keep in mind you're not all giving me totally uniform info. I got lots of calculations to make from all new info I pick up.

I will try to put on the K&N filters without the side covers and try bigger jets but first I think I'll get new plugs just to rule them out. Still gotta read up on plug testing too.

And again, I don't need the bike to run perfect. I was really pulling myself down the blvd last night and 'felt' the atmosphere interacting with the carbs if that's not just my imagination. But this bike is way too fast for me to care about having the smoothest acceleration. Just want it to start better if possible and allow me better access to the carbs at the moment.

I see how the charging system isn't robust but it gives me a good 15 seconds(divided up) of crank power needed to start and lights up the road and charges my gadgets and warms my hands real good!

Thanks for reading and thanks for all the tips and info. And please respond however makes you feel best. I can even appreciate the opposition. No resolution without opposition. Don't beat your wives, and stop talking to any lost teenage aliens. They find out what you know you'll be 'taken care of'. Use your browser's 'in cognito' tabs function so you watch porn at home. And sweat everyday and eat organic veggies and products of well raised animals if need be.
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2018, 02:08:00 PM »
Step...away...from...the...drill.


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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2018, 02:39:53 PM »
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Re: What do you do to keep from getting stranded with a dead battery?
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2018, 03:05:27 PM »
As has been said before.  Don’t drill your jets.  First you need to get it running correctly with the basics and get the airbox or filters on it.  Then do plug chops before you mess with any jetting. 

Jets are dirt cheap.  Get it setup correctly and do plug chops before you go any buy any jets to see what’s happening.  Just reading plugs without doing chops tells you not much at all. 


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