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Offline Cowboy

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Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« on: January 18, 2007, 09:36:16 AM »
I have a good running 1972 CL450. Unfortunately, I have no title, and I live in a state where you absolutely cannot get a title for an untitled vehicle.  I want to buy another, non-running bike with a title, so I can swap frames and make my bike legal.

So what is my range of options? What other bikes have a frame that will swap easily with a CL450 twin?
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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007, 09:45:08 AM »


            The 500T frame will accept the 450 motor with no problem because basically the 500T and 450 
    are the same externally. Now the 350 is a different story. I don't believe the 350 frame would be
    strong enough, if you could make the 450 motor fit. Without modifications, that's all I know to tell
    you. The CB/CL450 and the CB500T are the same family. Hope that helps.

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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007, 10:46:28 AM »
350 frame will be much too small to fit 450 motor. You cant even fit a 360 motor to 350 without cutting and welding ( I tried)
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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2007, 07:50:02 PM »
Or, you could use a service like international title service, you fill out their paperwork, send it back with some $$$, and they title it out of state and "sell" it back to you.

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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 03:41:20 PM »
So do the 250-350-450-500 twins have progressively longer strokes as displacements increase? Is that why they don't fit into smaller frames, because each one has taller cylinders than the last?

Mkramer, I wish I could use a service like ITS, but our Attorney General has expressed the opinion that titles that get laundered through those services are not lawful here. I'm an attorney, and I really like my practice. Since there is an opinion out there that suggests these transactions are not honest, I can't risk my license by using them. For all the jokes people tell about dishonest attorneys, all the attorneys I know are vigilant about never doing anything that is even slightly questionable, and I join them in this case. That bike is only worth a few hundred bucks, and just not worth risking disbarrment.

Our local law creates a sad and wasteful situation when it comes to motorcycles. Our winters in Wyoming are so long that people often park their bikes for six months and more. If they forget (or don't know any better) and leave gas in their float chambers over the winter, they get to spend a couple hundred bones on a carb rebuild in the spring before they can ride again.  After a bike gets to be six or seven years old, they start to question the wisdom of spending a couple hundred on a bike that is not worth much more than that.  Lots of bikes then wind up sitting in the barn or in the backyard for years, unridden, and unregistered, and in my (college) town, they are abandoned when students graduate.  The landlords need to get them out of the yard, but have no titles.  I could buy bikes all day long that need little more than carb cleaning, but without a title, and no legal way for anyone except the previous registered owner to get a title, they are worthless except for off-road use.  I'm glad my CL450 is useful off road, but I'd like it even more if I could ride on the street too.

The other option that some people use is to "store" the untitled bike at a friend's house, then have the friend file a storage lien. They can get a title that way, but again, it's too fishy a practice for me, since it is really just as much a sham "storage contract" as the ITS transaction is a sham "sale". Either one results in ripping off the real owner if the bike was stolen. The problem is, we have no way under our law to get a title for a bike that is actually abandoned.

Hmmm . . . here I sit at my desk, drafting legislation to change the law regarding casino nights run by non-profits. Why couldn't I draft a bill to change the law regarding motorcycle titles?  Why didn't I think of that! (DOH, I did!)
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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 07:17:54 PM »
Difference in my situation and yours is that I have the original title, unfortunately it was signed over in 1989 to 3 owners previous from me and never registered.  So, I have a nonstolen bike (police checked), with title, just not the right title.  All I am doing on my end is bypassing placing a bond on my bike in IL for the next 3 years.  Maybe Wyoming offers something like that, where you place a bond on the bike until it clears not being stolen.

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Re: Differences in the frames on 350-450-500 twins?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 06:45:03 AM »
A bike that age would not be too difficult to get titled here in MI. To bad your so far away, I could get it titled here and then sell it back with a legal MI title that you could then transfer.....but the bike would have to be here for inspection by the local Sheriff's Dept.
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