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CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:59:20 AM »
Hello,

My bike has been completely repainted.

For restaration I want the color ex-factory.
How to know this color?
Serial number of the bike?

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 08:13:22 AM »
Hello,

My bike has been completely repainted.

For restaration I want the color ex-factory.
How to know this color?
Serial number of the bike?

thank's

Hello....the VIN will not give info on the original color.

K2 [USA] bikes came in three colors:
Flake Sunrise Orange, Candy Gold, Brier Brown Metallic.

Look under the tank to see if you see any original paint. Good luck.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 11:39:13 AM »
Thank you,

But unfortunately, the tank paint was completely stripped.

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 04:54:52 PM »
Well, you can narrow it down to colors offered in your market and then choose from them.  Since there are no available records to know the original paint color for your VIN, you can be right for all of the colors offered.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 05:45:43 PM »
Paint it any of those colors and you are correct.
 Or buy them from Yamiya.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 09:59:21 AM »
Thank you,

OK, I understand, I will choose a color "France" 1972.


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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 06:16:41 PM »
Hello,

Colours that were common in France for the CB750K2 see photos:

Post some pics of your bike would love to see! I rode my CB750F2 from the UK to Paris back in 1996. Rode around Paris on the Peripherique, Arc de Triomphe etc and then went to the Loire Valley, Mont St Michelle and then from Paris to Alsace with my then French girlfriend on the back. Rode around Alsace before returning to the UK with panniers full of wine :). Loved that bike!

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2019, 11:02:09 AM »
thank you,

Attention, the Candy Gold is not a color imported in France for K2 1972 ...
It seems to me that there is only:
Blue, red and brown en 1972.

Candy gold was on the k1 in 1971...en France

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2019, 02:20:56 PM »
It might be Calypso blue.
 Are you sure tank was completely stripped , its extra work to get all of the  underneath.
 Maybe try scraping in the backbone area. Maybe you will have some luck.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2019, 09:45:20 PM »
 I think the brown is stunning, especially with the 72 pearl white/gold/black stripes. I used 2013 Honda Accord tiger eye pearl brown. It's a modern paint, easier to spray and close to the Honda original brown with more sparkle. 
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2019, 02:38:05 AM »
It might be Calypso blue.
 

Never heard of that colour. Do you maybe have an example?

I have been collecting charts with colours available in those years but till now they are incomplete or simply wrong.
The lubritec chart everyone is always referring to is incomplete.
Is there any way to determine what colour were really correct for those years (1972 - 1975) in Europe?

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2019, 05:48:28 AM »
Candy :

Japanese motorcycles of the 60s and 70s often had beautiful paintings with metallic highlights. The CB750s wore "Candy Ruby Red", "Candy Gold" and Candy blue green dresses, and were not metallized paints to pass at one time, but of a composition of several layers:

     :) a metallic gray or silvery bottom layer giving the metallized appearance.

     ;) a possible layer of "Flake silver" giving the species of glossy flakes.

     :D a layer of tinted varnish with the dominant color. The more layers you spend, the darker the resulting hue is.

A final layer of clear varnish is often passed today, which covers the adhesive decor. It does not seem that this final layer existed originally.

Several websites give pictures of paintings used by Honda. But they are of little use because we do not know how to make the correspondence between these paintings and the modern paintings, which are all referenced by the manufacturers and the manufacturers of paintings. In fact, originally, Honda provided small pots of paint, intended to make retouching. It was a big novelty. Later, Honda-USA officially approved the now defunct US company Lubritech to distribute the paintings for its motorcycles in the USA. Finally, from 1982, Honda began selling his paintings to individuals and professionals. Honda did not manufacture them, but sold the products of Original Brand, which also sold directly to the public. This company was soon bought by Color Rite, which continued to sell the same products with the same references.

It was therefore only from 1982 that Honda used the color coding system as in the automobile. Before, even with the Lubritech tables, we have no reference. We can only rely on vintage machines, not restored and well preserved, to find the original colors.


Application of Candy paintings

The website http://www.members.tripod.com/~Wrenchbender/tips.html, from which the above information comes, also publishes a guide to the application of Lubritech's paintings dating from 1974. It contains many safety recommendations (working in a ventilated room, no flame or cigarette nearby, no gasoline to degrease, etc.), practical recommendations (no silicone paint in the same room), and finally information about Candy paintings and their implementation (in English). The French site http://www.cb500four.com also gives useful and practical information.




Otherwise, there are also these references  :) :

http://www.sprido-peinture.com/143-honda-moto
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2019, 12:10:58 PM »
It happens that NOS tanks and side covers are sold on eBay or Yamiya. I'm sure you can find photos of them if searching even if the subject in question is sold.
I bought a new tank with side covers from Yamiya painted in Candy Sapphire blue. The blue my bike (CB750 K6-76) (Sweden) had from the beginning is much lighter, almost turquoise.  I have only seen photos of Swedish and UK bikes in that color.
The darker tone look really good too.

Other Honda bikes NOS parts in Candy Sapphire blue have that darker color.

It has been discussions in other threads about clear coat over graphics or not. It seems that some tanks did not get clear over graphics back in early 70's. This can also contribute to a difference compared with other that got clear coat. Honda had problems to deliver bikes in time to everyone wanted to buy one.

I painted a K2 tank and side covers with brown metallic (Peugeot Cuprite Brown/copper metallic) this winter.  Spray Max Rattle cans from https://www.spraydosen-shop.de/   The 2K clear worked really well.
The metallic shined more when getting thick layers of clear! ;) Look good but hardly Honda stock look :)

That tank was Brier Brown metallic when delivered to Sweden 1975. I was contacted buy a guy that had the complete history with all documentation from the bike was imported with all owners.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2019, 03:14:31 AM »
Candy :


Yes, I am a candy painter and Honda 70's paint specialist.
You can vistit me here (Germany):
www.tanklackieren.de

Now my question was: "Is there any way to determine what colour were really correct for those years (1972 - 1975) in Europe?"

For the k0 it is all quite clear.
For the k1 it allready gets a bit fuzzy since a lot of my k1 customers want candy bluegreen for their K1 but it is said that that wasn't an original colour.

K2 is in Europe followed by the k6.
Only in the US there was a follow up with k3, k4 and k5.
The reason seems to be that regulations in the US kept changing therefore Honda had to adjust the modells to the regulation.

In Europe regulations stayed the same.

This means that for instance on the lubritec chart but also on others colours are missing which have certainly been delivered in Europe.

So how do you know that candy custom gold was not available in france in 1972?
Where did you get that information from?


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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2019, 03:32:18 AM »
 Not sure where I got Calypso Blue from, but I think I am wrong.
 I did find this..
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »
Not sure where I got Calypso Blue from, but I think I am wrong.
 I did find this..

Maybe you meant Polynesian Blue, Frank?  I believe that was a JDM only.   I copied it years agow for my K4...



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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2019, 03:24:18 PM »


  I believe that was a JDM only. 





Sorry but what does JDM mean?

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2019, 03:25:25 PM »


  I believe that was a JDM only. 





Sorry but what does JDM mean?

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2019, 03:27:24 PM »
Ah. Thanks.

Frank; where is that first list from?

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2019, 07:30:12 PM »
 That is probably what I was thinking of.
 Menno, look at my pics, I think it was a post on here from 2012, you can s we the date in the pics I think.
 
 Calypso Blue was used on a VFR around 94.

 If you search cb 750 Polynesian blue, many things come up, a lot of them from this forum , 6 or more years ago..
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2019, 07:15:14 AM »
That is probably what I was thinking of.
 Menno, look at my pics, I think it was a post on here from 2012, you can s we the date in the pics I think.
 
 Calypso Blue was used on a VFR around 94.

 If you search cb 750 Polynesian blue, many things come up, a lot of them from this forum , 6 or more years ago..


Here is an interesting paint website...

http://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-us/colours.php#makeid=50&modelid=1247&prodyear=1970

It sells a Candy Riviera Blue Custom for a CB750 import bike, have not heard of that color?


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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2019, 07:18:21 AM »
Posted by: Menno
« on: March 19, 2019, 03:14:31 am »

"So how do you know that candy custom gold was not available in france in 1972?
Where did you get that information from?"


Menno,

All forums and sites CB750 "four" in France speaks only three colors for the K2 "France" and the Candy Gold is not part of it.

I do not have the official document that says it.

As soon as I find it I put it on the forum.

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2019, 07:25:33 AM »


I am on a French forum, here is the link of a file written compared to the catalog Honda.
this catalog is classified by year.

http://www.honda60-70s.net/Accueil/accueil.html

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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2019, 08:43:43 AM »
That is probably what I was thinking of.
 Menno, look at my pics, I think it was a post on here from 2012, you can s we the date in the pics I think.
 
 Calypso Blue was used on a VFR around 94.

 If you search cb 750 Polynesian blue, many things come up, a lot of them from this forum , 6 or more years ago..


Here is an interesting paint website...

http://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-us/colours.php#makeid=50&modelid=1247&prodyear=1970

It sells a Candy Riviera Blue Custom for a CB750 import bike, have not heard of that color?

I've used RS paint before with good results.  NOTE: their paints are water-based.
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Re: CB750 K2 1972 Original color
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2019, 01:21:12 PM »
Denmark K2 got these colors if website is correct
 Brier Brown Metallic (HM-16-201), Candy Orange (HC-16-202)         
http://www.honda750.dk/page1.html

Use google translate and understand whats written ;)
As I did on the French page http://www.honda60-70s.net/Gamme/gamme.html

Brier Brown with sparkling metallic and thicker clear would be nice
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967