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Offline gary p.

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Truing front rim - how?
« on: March 23, 2019, 04:26:41 PM »
I have a new used front rim with a small amount of hop, high spot.   I’ve never attempted to true a spoked wheel. 
First, I guess I should know if a little hop is a problem or if there is an acceptable out of round measurement.   Or should I try to zero it out.
Is truing a rim a diy project for a first timer or would I be wiser to search out and pay a pro?
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2019, 04:42:31 PM »
Honda book says 1/8 inch sideways and/or vertical is limit but dont forget all steel rims will"kick" a bit at the point where they are but welded
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2019, 04:59:20 PM »
You should be able to get within 10 thou. 1/8 inch is way too far out in my opinion.
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2019, 05:21:51 PM »
FWIW, I've found steel rims much harder to get to spin true compared to aluminum ones. I think alot of the OEM rims from back in the day just weren't as precisely formed as the modern aluminum ones.

It is definitely a DIY project, I have a Harbor Freight truing stand thats actually pretty nice, just take you time and don't expect a 40+ year old rim to come out perfectly true.
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2019, 05:45:06 PM »
 A spoke wrench can be your friend. I got an ebay balancing stand and made a pointer to convert it to truing. I had a magnetic base dial indicator but just use a chisel for a pointer and a magnet to mount it most of the time. The first ones I did were on an old swingarm and axle mounted in a vise.
 My weld had a side bump. A plastic hammer fixed that. Stop and look at what the rim needs, don't overtighten any spokes. Get a feel for tightness and try to keep them the same. ting the spokes with a screwdriver handle to hear how they ring,  stay relaxed and enjoy.
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2019, 05:45:13 PM »
I'll side with Bryanj. When I re-spoked my CB750, both rims had a bit of a 'jump' at the weld. Don't worry about it.
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2019, 07:35:31 PM »
Ping the spokes - I like that.  I’ll try that first to get a feel for the overall tension before I start messing with it.  Hope my ear for music is still good
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2019, 08:07:09 PM »
Hit the nipples with a little bit of PB Blaster or some sort of penetrating oil before you do anything else to the wheel. Plus don't even try using a little crescent wrench on the spokes, get a proper spoke wrench. When working on an old wheel don't try to tighten without just cracking it loose a tad first.

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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2019, 09:30:41 PM »
 Where it sticks out, tighten a little. More in the center of the bump and less as it goes towards the correct diameter. notice if it's more on one side than another and tighten accordingly. At times I've needed to loosen the opposite spokes a bit. Do everything in small moves. When you're done the spokes should be mostly the same torque.
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2019, 09:45:33 PM »
This is something I will have to do soon for the first time. What size spoke wrench is required for these bikes?
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Re: Truing front rim - how?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2019, 02:00:09 AM »
If the rim is off the bike you will need to set up some sort of a truing stand.  Can be the axle in a vice.  If you go the HF route beware the rod and cones that come with the stand are junk.  You can get a ground 12mm (I think) rod from a machine supply place and have cones made.  The HF rod/cones are not precise so the cone will sit off center to the rod which induces a large error out at the rim.

Mark the rim where the weld is.  It helps to have some colored tape for marking where adjustment is needed.  As others have said take penetrating oil and put a drop at each spoke/nipple.  If any of the spoke threads are really rusted I would replace the spoke and nipple.

Ignore the weld point for now unless you have wobble/hop more than 1 spoke to either side of the weld.

I do wobble first.  The biggest mistake you can make is to start tweaking spokes without giving thought to what you are doing and the reaction it will have on the wheel. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DOING!  Mark your biggest sideways movement.  You will want to pull the rim away from this spot.  If the wobble is abrupt, (withing 3 spokes) and not large give the widest point a 1/4 turn to tighten.  Each side of this spoke on the same side give them 1/8 turn.  If the wobble is long, (4-5 or more spokes in duration) give the widest point  1/2 turn and then 1/4 turn to either side of the widest point, then 1/8 turn to the next spoke out from the widest point.  You will need to loosen spokes on the opposite side if you turn more than a 1/4 turn. 

For run out,  It is similar to the above but instead of tightening on one side of the rim you tighten on both the left and right and loosen spokes 180 degrees opposite the tightened spot.  You again work out from the highest point to spokes to either side of the high point tightening/loosening as needed.

Now go back and check the wobble and adjust and then check run out.  Keep doing this until the rim is true.  You will also want to check for offset of the rim to the hub.  A front wheel off a K1-K6 750 will have an offset to the left (rim left of hub as sitting on the bike)  You want the center point  the hub (between the spoke attachment flange is) to be in line with the center of the rim.  To shift the rim over it is the same as wobble except you do all the spokes on one side (tighten) and loosen on the other. 

After you mount the tire and inflate it you need to go through the above and make sure the rim is true.  If you want to balance the wheel you will need a truing stand.  You need almost zero friction at the axle to do this and the axle/bearings/seals have too much friction.

Work slowly and THINK about what you are doing.  It takes patience but is straight forward.   If you go to a shop to have this done expect to pay through the nose and don't expect to have a good job done and you need to check their work.  Few shops these days have kids that can do this properly.  Lacing/truing a wheel is a dying art like buggy whips were 100 years ago. 

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