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Offline rbmgf7

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« on: January 24, 2007, 06:19:05 PM »
I want to try and replace as many fasteners (especially visible ones) as possible without breaking the bank. Is stainless steel less corrosive than plain zinc plated fasteners? I know steel corrodes when in contact with aluminum but is the price for s/s worth it? Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 06:28:46 PM »
If you're talking about the engine casing screws, etc. the stainless steel isn't all that expensive.

From the FAQ:

Jim Spillane, SOHC/4 Member #28, sells stainless-steel philips-head and allen-head screw sets:
Email Jim at spillane@metrocast.net for prices and availability.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 06:52:35 PM »
I bought a full set of stainless steel screws from a place in the USA for Chrises 836.

I can't recall the exact price, maybe £35, they were all Alen/socket type.

I thought that was a real good buy and was well pleased with the quality.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 06:58:38 PM »
"Is stainless steel less corrosive than plain zinc plated fasteners?"


plated vs. STAINLESS steel

............... ???............STAINLESS

called "STAINLESS"....... for a reason ???

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 07:14:15 PM »
You can probably get Metric Allen head fasteners in Stainless at a good hardware store - not Home Depot. Just take one sample in there and match up the thread and lenghth. I am doing mine that way and I am doing it in stages. Easy on the budget that way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 07:22:13 PM »
We thought of that Bobby but the time spent doing it wasn't worth the messing.
Every screw came labled for where they went.

Aptech, they dont go rusty/corrode.

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 07:34:39 PM »
Here's the website for the above mentioned SOHC memeber.
http://www.metrocast.net/~spillane/index_002.htm

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 08:05:21 PM »
I bought a set for my  from Jim Spillane.  They're great.  Tell him you're a member of the SOHC4 club.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 08:06:41 PM »
I got mine from him.  He was very good about answering questions and just pleasant to deal with.  And as you can see, they're not all that expensive.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 08:58:51 PM »
We thought of that Bobby but the time spent doing it wasn't worth the messing.
Every screw came labled for where they went.

Aptech, they dont go rusty/corrode.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 09:09:44 PM »
I got a very complete set here http://www.fastener-express.com/ and the price was hard to beat...25 or 30 bucks I think. They come all pre sorted and labeled so you know which goes where and seem to be of good quality.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 03:12:14 AM »
Is anyone using a suitable coating on the stainless screws?

Stainless and alloy love each other & "grow" together with a chemical action that makes it extremely hard to separate them.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 04:28:55 AM »
Yes- Make sure you use a good anti sieze compound whenever you are putting stainless screws into alloy parts.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 08:19:17 AM »
So, what's a good anti-seize to use on stainless fasteners?  I've seen both copper and aluminum ones...

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 08:30:39 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2007, 08:51:24 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2007, 08:59:16 AM »
Whenever I take a bike apart, I send out ALL the hardware to a plater to be white zinc-plated. Things like rear brake arm and rod, front brake line lower tube, screws, nuts, bolts, washers, clips, choke lever, springs, carb and airbox clamps, rear peg inner metal parts, centerstand tube, engine looong bolts, all go and plater charges by the pound. Not a bad idea to give them all your spare hardware at the same time, too. You can even include the spokes, but the nipples get yellow-zinc, as do the 4 washers on top of battery box. Cost me about $70 for 3 sets of bike hardware. Any stripped screws can be purchased new from Honda. Its nice to put it back together w/ the hardware all shiny and clean. And its original and correct for a restoration. This is VERY important for the sandcast and K0 models that have unique #8 bolts which are one of their finer details and need to be retained and preserved. DEFINATELY use a Honda Parts Manual which shows exact size for every screw, nut, bolt etc so there's no guesswork as to which screw or bolt goes where (unless you've done it a few times, then you can challenge yourself to do it w/o for fun).
An alternative idea for instant gratification is to simply wipe down all the hardware w/ Penetrol (see tips section for FRAME RESTORATION)

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 09:13:10 AM »
Copper slip seems easier to get. Don't forget any or you will be drilling them out if you need to work on the bike. Also recoat them if you take them out !

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 09:29:07 AM »
736,

I don't guess I've seen or perhaps don't remember the info you've given about the white zinc & yellow zinc plating. What plater do you use? Is this a process that most platers would do or is your plater more of a specialty plater or just a large shop?

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2007, 09:32:36 AM »
Any chrome plater can do it, either local or mail it. Nassau-Suffolk Plating on Long Island is near me. Eastwood has a do-it-yourself kit but not for big piles like this.

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
I spent a bit (much: $77) more and got a chromed set from CycleX.  I tried a stainless set, but after I got my new chrome on, the fasteners stood out.  The stainless fasteners didn't look that bad, it's just that they stood out from the chrome.
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Re: fasteners
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2007, 04:08:07 PM »
I have a stainless set for the engine to use but I'd like to "freshen up" all the other bolts that will not be stainless. Might even try to polish the stainless heads. I didn't have a clue how to make them look better other than using my new blasting cabinet to clean them up. Some of these are the engine mounting hardware and the bolts that hold the cases together to name a few. Damn good idea 736.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2007, 06:35:20 PM »
Of course I just have to jump in here! For my restoration, I wanted as many new stainless fasteners as possible, didn't want to mess around with any plating and the like. For the specialized OEM bolts, I simply cleaned, polished and clear coated. For the motor I bought one of the aforementioned socket cap screw kits - well worth the $$$. For the rest of the bike, went to the trouble to identify all of the regular fasteners for each assembly. I examined each microfiche page and noted the various sizes and created a chart of everything, categorized by type, diameter & length. With completed list in hand, I wandered over to my local Fasten-all store and asked if they could fill the bill for what I had listed. While they couldn't provide everything, I'd say they had about 80% of what I needed. They have the ability to fill specific quantities in a case like this; a bounus for guys like me. For the harder to find stuff, I visited McMaster-Carr on the web. The down side to McMaster-Carr is that they sell in minimums, so if you needed say a 8 x 60 mm bolt, you might have to buy 25. The overage was minimal in my case so I still felt like I was doing better $$$-wise than trying to go through a Honda dealership or OEM. Their selection is very good also. For all the stainless I bought, I'd say I spent well under $200, including those McMaster-Carr orders. As for thread dressing, I simply used a NAPA product that I've been using for automotive applications for years. For posterity, I took this snap of all the old hardware. Your project will look so much better if you use new stainless!
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