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Re: non ethonal gas
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2019, 11:04:49 AM »
About octane numbers, US vs Europe. Important to have in mind when talking gasoline on an international forum.
In Sweden we have max 5% ethanol in fuel. Max 98 RON. Shell V-power had 99 earlier
Except for E85 that has 85% ! :) About 104 octane RON, possible to crank up the boost if using turbo ;)


Europe vs the States
https://www.etuners.gr/fuel/

In Europe, gas stations describe different types of gasoline based on their RON rating. It is typical to have 100, 99, 98, 97 or 95 RON with prices varying accordingly. In the States the descriptions look a lot like RON, but they are not.

Pump gas

In the United States gas stations describe the types of gasoline based on the Pump Octane Number (PON). That number is the average between RON and MON. This causes many problems.

If a fuel is 98 RON then it will be 93 PON -> 93 PUMP
If a fuel is 95 RON and 87 MON then it will be 91 PON -> 91 PUMP
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Re: non ethonal gas
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2019, 11:06:33 AM »
E-10 gas has a shelf life of 6 months.  Straight gasoline has a shelf life of two years.  Ratings like these are conservative regarding replacement intervals.  So, it typically lasts longer than specified, unless it is in severe environments.  I've had E10 for the mower, stored in the outside shed (no climate control, but tightly sealed) for a year, that simply would not run the mower where new gas would.  I only made use of it after I blended it 50/50 with fresh gas (e10).  The fuel in the mower and carb corroded the internals, presumably from the alkali formed when alcohol reacts with water.  The mower tank is vented, so it "breathes" all the time, taking in humidity.  Yes, it rusted inside the tank, too.
 
I once had 4 year old gas in my airplane when I still owned it, the engine ran fine.  Aviation fuel has an even longer shelf life, though recommendations for replacement remains at two years.

There are(were) conversions for some airplanes to run on auto gas. Those are not certified with any alcohol blended fuel, only pure gas.

E10 will mostly work in automotive situations as long as you repeatedly replenishing supply.   Think of it like a shark. Must constantly move forward or it dies.  The caveate is for older fuel systems that don't have seals happy with alcohol.  Alcohol is a drying agent.  Rubber diaphragms (fuel pumps) and rubber seals get hard and crack causing failures, not seen with pure gas.  New vehicles designed to run on E10 have seals and part made of alcohol resistant materials.  Our vintage bike don't have such materials in stock form.

Most governments think you should replace your vehicle slightly less frequently than you do gasoline.  Good for the economy when citizens spend more money, for replacement or repairs.

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Re: non ethonal gas
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2019, 12:38:00 PM »
I got 81 miles out of the first tank of non ethonal  gas  (my reserve on the fuel valve rotted away) Thinking I would get better mileage . pulled into work shut it off and when I got off work it wouldn't start didn't give gas a thought run the battery down  had co-worker push me  still no start then  looked at the mileage on the trip thingee. once  I got more gas in it fired up  fine. I hindsight it didn't run much different just less mileage to me  not really worth extra for the gas . like others said I never had any problems with gas but non of my bikes sit. I just took one off the road to repaint  but they all get ridden every week .
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