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Offline Dirty Steve

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Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« on: April 16, 2019, 07:41:25 PM »
I guess I should be asking if it’s okay to dump the clutch in the first place. Anyway, if so is it riskier to do it with a clip-type master link chain verses a rivet-type master link chain? I only paid 35 bucks for mine (clip-type Bike Master chain). Man, I love revving it up and the feel and sound of a quick shift. But I wonder if I’m risking having the chain come apart on me or if I’m putting undo stress on the engine et al.
I ride a CB750 K5 totally stock.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 11:28:45 PM »
I have tested it, a good thousand times.  The clip should hold.
 Besides its only the last few decades you could get riveted chains, for the drive..
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 11:43:47 PM »
I guess I should be asking if it’s okay to dump the clutch in the first place. Anyway, if so is it riskier to do it with a clip-type master link chain verses a rivet-type master link chain? I only paid 35 bucks for mine (clip-type Bike Master chain). Man, I love revving it up and the feel and sound of a quick shift. But I wonder if I’m risking having the chain come apart on me or if I’m putting undo stress on the engine et al.
I ride a CB750 K5 totally stock.
Thanks,
Dirty Steve.

Steve,
That $35.00 chain is a motorcycle chain, right?
The Agricultural and industrial type chain has different power and tensile strength than premium chains do. The 1/2 inch #50 farm (combine) chain ventilated more than a few cases around here.
Old RK chain could always take the best of spirited young men's torture tests. I'm sure many of today's chains can too....👍
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 12:00:20 AM »
 I should amend my post ..
 I have used those cheap chains, they can last pretty good just riding  but a few burnouts or clutch dumps , they start wearing pretty fast..
 And the important thing, don't dump the clutch with the chain slack, it's hard on it.
 Tighten everything up , before you let the clutch out.. even better just slip the clutch to get off the line.
 Way easier on stuff.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 12:56:05 AM »
And it isn't the clip that takes the strain, but the master link and that is just the same as the other links just fastened in another way....

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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 05:38:23 AM »
Steve,
   You get what you pay for with a chain, RK is my choice for a strong chain with reasonable cost. If you want to do a burnout, remember that it's very hard on everything connected to the chain too. Clutch, Primary chain, crank, sprockets, and spokes (if you have them). If you do it on dry pavement, the shock load is tremendous. A little water (or bleach ;) ) can help with the smoke hehe...
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 05:43:07 AM »
I can see a post in a couple months of someone complaining their bike is popping out of 2nd gear from the 'quick shifts'.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 10:49:46 AM »
I can see a post in a couple months of someone complaining their bike is popping out of 2nd gear from the 'quick shifts'.

Me too.  And the disappointment and denigration of Honda making poor engineering choices that don't withstand bike abuse.

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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 06:19:04 PM »
Man, thanks to everyone for your replies. I will get rid of the cheap chain and change the sprockets, as well. I’ve been looking at VintageCB750.com and they’ve got an Izumi chain for about $75. Does anyone know/have strong opinions about this brand? I am also looking at RK, per the advice above.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 06:30:10 PM »
By the way, what tensile strength should I be looking for?
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 06:31:37 PM »
I can see a post in a couple months of someone complaining their bike is popping out of 2nd gear from the 'quick shifts'.

got through a few engines this way......oops, fun though, solution was to sell them all to terry in one large lot

and as for suzuki's GS shaft drives, don't let anyone tell you they've got unbreakable gear boxes, it's a lie ( and bloody expensive )

did manage to lose a chain on my GSX1100 doing the clutch dump across incoming traffic, that was a brown trouser of a moment

best way to get rid of the fear of breaking a chain is get a shaft drive bike...i'd recommend a vmax, not only will it never break a chain , it'll take clutch dumps and redlines at every traffic light, and yes they will wheel stand ( usually when you don't expect it ) ,  it'll last far longer than your licence
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2019, 06:29:38 AM »
By the way, what tensile strength should I be looking for?

RK chain tensile strength chart.
6800-10,400#s per foot subject to 530 type.

Regina chain Italian has 530 chains
With tensile strengths to 10,550#s.

I have Regina 520 on Honda CR500R. Truly a great great chain, takes every kind of abuse.

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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2019, 11:34:16 PM »
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2019, 02:55:57 PM »
Okay, so I’m thinking about buying an RK x-ring chain and using a clip type master ling with it. I’ve read that the o/x ring chains are a little wider but not a problem on the 750s. Will the clip master link make it even wider and risk hitting the engine case?
Again, it’s a stock K5.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2019, 12:44:44 AM »
no, that will be fine
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2019, 01:46:52 AM »
I broke a DID 50 HDS o-ring chain on autobahn in the 80's. Chain had waay too much slack, geared down in an uphill from 5:th to probably 3:rd and WAT. Chain flew away as a snake braking the 3 chain guard brackets, cutting a slice of the registration plate chew marks on rear hub. Cases unharmed except for a max 2 mm deep, 5 mm wide groove under drive sprocket on upper case. Speed was around 90-100 kph. Slow going trucks had to be passed. 836, ported head, cam and around 80 whp

An earlier episode with unmod CB750 engine, new chain  with correct slack. It snapped when revving it and release at a red light. Rear wheel was 16" with 5.10 tire, dry road. Chain was a new strange Tsubaki that looked  glass beaded and felt lighter. None O-ring if  remember right, 530 100 links as always. Might have been with black nylon rear sprocket.

It is more fun with a modified engine and twist out from the corners, roundabouts getting a controlled slip, then twisting more.
The tire must be an OK tire not loosing grip very early like the old Avon Roadrunner or keeping track or suddenly lose all at once as old bad Continental K112 with horrible wobble/ side jump.

Metzeler ME99 with speed index H was perfect back then.

I'm more careful today since bike has cost some. My Heidenau K36 H rear tire work probably fine for similar adventures.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2019, 07:08:51 AM »
Okay, so I’m thinking about buying an RK x-ring chain and using a clip type master ling with it. I’ve read that the o/x ring chains are a little wider but not a problem on the 750s. Will the clip master link make it even wider and risk hitting the engine case?
Again, it’s a stock K5.
Thanks!

Steve
Around here, the clip was ran on the outside towards riders leg. Easy to inspect periodically and during chain maintenance. RK will have directions for clip orientation. It's a directional thing.
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Re: Okay to dump clutch with 530 clip master link?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2019, 06:04:33 PM »
Hey, thanks again for your input. I ordered an RK with a clip master link and a couple of sprockets.
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