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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #200 on: June 01, 2023, 06:05:53 PM »
hey hi hello, I'm still around.
After a long hiatus I've finally started working on getting the bike back together. Things have been busy and it took months for backorder stuff tom come available and I just haven't had the time or the will to even bother to look at it.
Current list of stuff is replace the C5 garbage with a dyna set up like davebarbers, new barnett clutches to hopefully solve my weird clutch problems, replace the starter clutch, reseal the oil pump since it seems to be weeping. While im at it, id like to replace the cheesy plastic wire loom i originally used with something cleaner. Id like to also go over it a bit and pretty some stuff up. I may finally paint the wheels and replace any old hardware with some shiny stuff ive had waiting on the shelf.
The coils got mounted, of course they don't fit since the 360 tank is pretty narrow inside. I used some furniture 90* inside corner braces to flip them. Why bother spending and hour trying to bend, drill, paint some flat stock when these were $3, all exactly the same dimension and fit like a glove. Plus they're zinc plated if i want to be lazy and not paint them.
I picked up my advancer from a friend of a customer from work after he turned the advancer down and made a spacer to adapt the dyna rotor. He didnt want to open up the rotor and chose to mill the shaft instead. I'm fine with it and he did well.
Also, DONT BE LIKE ME. Loctite your starter clutch bolts. I'm pretty certain the reason it failed was being dumb and not doing so. Found one bolt laying in the pan and the other two waiting to follow suit. This housing was a NOS i scored on ebay and its damaged now. Another one will be here soon.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #201 on: June 01, 2023, 06:55:17 PM »
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #202 on: June 01, 2023, 07:04:20 PM »
Welcome back Nick!

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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #203 on: June 02, 2023, 06:17:58 PM »
Good to be back Alan lol

So uh anyone have any insight into these “disc pressure springs” in the clutch pack? While going through the stack it looks like I only have one of the two springs. Both my clymers and the diagram on partszilla show it. #10 in the clymer manual, and 7 and 8 in the parts diagram on partszilla. I’m assuming this may be the reason my clutch softened up when it would get warm and I’d constantly have to adjust the cable while riding. Unless it’s some truck to remove one, I guess reassembly is on hold until I find a pair since there’s 2 and the one in my pack has no discernible markings. If you have a pair hit me up otherwise I’m off to eBay to hopefully find some.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #204 on: June 02, 2023, 08:20:53 PM »
I'm not finding those parts anywhere on ebay, but there are a few complete clutches around $40.

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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #205 on: June 02, 2023, 08:43:42 PM »
Alan I love you for searching haha
I didn’t think to try and find a full clutch set up, that would have been a good idea but I didn’t think of it.
I just found them on CMSNL and ordered them moments ago. I’m surprised I’ve never used them before because Jesus they have like everything. One of the pieces was their last one so score! Sucks I have to wait but oh well. Starter clutch is back in at least
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #206 on: June 02, 2023, 09:56:32 PM »
Good to see you back!
This is one of my fav projects on the forum!
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #207 on: June 03, 2023, 07:58:24 AM »
I agree about CMSNL, logging in there is my first step on any search. Their cross reference capability has found some obscure solutions over the past few years, and photos of the actual parts are handy too.

I've never ordered from them, everyone always says shipping is high and slow so save them for big orders.
But I'm glad you found them.

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« Reply #208 on: June 03, 2023, 10:26:58 AM »
Their shipping is neither expensive nor slow.  I have actually ordered stuff from both cmsnl and Partzilla at the same time.  Guess what stuff go there first...yup, less than three full days all the way from the Netherlands and I did not pay for extra fast shipping.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #209 on: June 03, 2023, 11:13:09 AM »
Their shipping is neither expensive nor slow.  I have actually ordered stuff from both cmsnl and Partzilla at the same time.  Guess what stuff go there first...yup, less than three full days all the way from the Netherlands and I did not pay for extra fast shipping.

I made my first order from them a few months ago(cmsnl)and their shipping/price was fair and fast for one small item.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #210 on: June 03, 2023, 12:47:10 PM »
That's great to know, thanks Gents!

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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #211 on: June 03, 2023, 07:39:25 PM »
The shipping wasn’t terrible. The pair of ring things was 16 euros, and shipping was like 20 euros. I’m too lazy to convert that to bald eagle dollars since the order details are all in euros. I don’t remember if I went for their expedited shipping or not.

Anyone got advice on sizing an oring?
I went to reseal my oil pump tonight, I ordered a 42x2mm oring for the outer plate without looking at it prior. I’m not sure what I should go for sizing based on the groove.
OD: 50.26mm
ID: 44.27mm
Depth: 1.54mm
Width:2.90ish mm
I’m guessing 50 or 49 mm OD and 2mm thick. I’m not sure if I should go with like 49 so it has room to swell if it needs to/does overtime without blowing out
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #212 on: June 06, 2023, 08:17:56 PM »
Going to school has given me some useful tools to be able to make stuff. And over a year ago when I had a super mild case of covid i learned the basics of 3d modelling with youtube and got a 3d printer.
After 8 revisions, i finally got my starter solenoid mount to fit properly. The first few i did were over a year ago and then finally went back and changed some stuff. Found out i measured my bolt spacing wrong originally and just stupid stuff to finally have a "final" version of the print. My printer is now set up pretty well and I'm not longer using PLA at all. This is printed with carbon fiber infused ABS. Chemical and UV resistant, strong, and good for temperatures over 150*f. I also printed it off kilter by 10* to help prevent layer adhesion from being the weakest leak.
The bolt heads will need to be shaved down a bit on one side but since my electronics tray is so shallow, id rather that than make the whole mount taller.

I resealed my oil pump and toss that on but thats boring so like who cares
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #213 on: June 07, 2023, 06:36:00 AM »
 Pretty Groovy!  I take it that little tab on the top engages with the solenoid cover?

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« Reply #214 on: June 08, 2023, 06:15:42 AM »
Yeah that little peg locks into a small square opening on the plastic cover on the solenoid. That plus the slip fit around the case it fits pretty dang snuggly. And speaking of that tab, I broke it trying to test fit the bolt heads…. So I went back and tweaked it again, and will probably tweak it some more too. I wanted to use the OEM 30a sheet metal fuses instead of the fuse holder and blade fuse I had to have a little less in the tray and then went “well damn, if this blows I can’t just buy one locally I’m sure. Where do I put spares?” So I added a slot on either side to hold spares, just incase. I might try to make some other holder to attach near my battery to hold a spare or 2 for The M-units supply fuse.
Im hoping to have it running in the next 2 weeks. A plate for the dyna from Dave should be here today or tomorrow, the spring things from CMSNL should be here Monday or Tuesday. I ordered some colorful wire loom to spice some stuff up while being subtle but it’s coming straight from China so it might be a bit.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #215 on: June 08, 2023, 10:45:35 AM »
 Ah yes, it dose look a bit beefier now.
I'm surprised you were able to get the 3D printer to make such a detailed precise pocket for those extra fuses.  Very Nice!

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« Reply #216 on: June 08, 2023, 11:52:01 AM »
It didn’t do it well but it did, took me a few tries and tweaks to get the slicer to even recognize that there’s a hole there. I did have to take a blade and cut the slit open but it works!
 I also use a .6 nozzle instead of a .4 that’s standard since the filament company recommends that to prevent clogging. I will say it’s pretty crazy the accuracy you can get out of a basic printer like this
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« Reply #217 on: June 08, 2023, 03:14:52 PM »
 That technology truly is a game changer.  There is a Guy on a Cafe Racer group I fallow on FaceBook that has made his own intake manifold with a Metal 3D printer to mount a double barrel Weber to an XS650. 

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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #218 on: June 12, 2023, 07:26:21 PM »
So… it seems the C5 may not have died after all. And I’m made about it.
I put the clutch together, printed a final solenoid mount and mounted it, then finally got the dyna set up mounted and wired, went to go time it and there was no power. I was thinking maybe I mislabeled the switched 12v and started poking around. Turns out the relay that I have powering my ignition clicks as if it’s working, but doesn’t actually switch. I’m mad at it and myself for never fulling investigating but such is life. It also seems my shoria is dead so I’ll need to order another battery. For now I grabbed a small AGM battery from my job that I’m using to just check everything over and be able to test fire it when I have it sorted out.
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #219 on: June 14, 2023, 12:13:33 PM »
 And THAT my friend is why I Hate electronics!

 Even though the C5 was not the issue, I Personally would still go with the Dyna now that you have it.  (*Disclaimer* I've never tried the C5's but have used Dyna many times and experienced good customer support.)

 As for the solenoid mount; The extra fuse pocket is pretty clever, but the more I think of it, I'm betting you are eventually going to wish you had a standard modern style fuse in there.  =/

 As for the battery; You might consider replacing that dead shoria with one from Antigravity. (I've experienced good tech support from them in the recent past)
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« Reply #220 on: June 17, 2023, 07:44:10 PM »
I did worry about like “what if I blow fuses and can’t find any” but I feel like I’ve I blow 3 fuses in a trip it’s safe to say somethings wrong and I shouldn’t try a fourth lol but there’s always alternative to jump it or something. I ended up getting another shorai battery, I wanted to try something else but I set up my tray around that battery originally and everything that had similar dimensions had terminals reversed and I’m too lazy to reroute/rewire my power and grounds lol

As for bike updates. The dyna set up is all mounted, timed and finished! I ordered a genuine Bosch 4 pin relay and added a little rubber grommet to the mount to hopefully avoid having the relay fail on me again. The carbs are cleaned, rejetted, and vacuum synched. It fires right up, Idles nicely and revs freely. I need to set my wideband back up and check things but I definitely had it way richer than necessary with my last set up and honestly there wasn’t any reason for it. Currently using 40 pilots, 125 mains and I forget how many “notches” my needles are raised with the Suzuki shims. I think maybe 1.5. (Previous were 42s and 128s)

Next thing was I really liked the look of the clothe wrapped plug wires revival cycles sells but I wanted to use the ones dyna and Dave use with the set up. I ended up ordering some 8mm nylon braided wire loom in a variety of patterns and colors to add some subtle color to the bike but maintain the included wires. Waited weeks because it shipped directly from China but it came out really nicely. I used some wire heat shrink on the coil end to hold it, kept it pulled real tight and used the resistor cap boot to pull and lock the other side down. If you ask me they came out really nice even if I’m not sure about the color. If you think I should have went a different color, let me know, or don’t lol it took me hours to settle on the red
Anyway. A bunch of little stuff to button up and check over and I should be able to let’er rip again lol
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #221 on: June 17, 2023, 10:27:45 PM »
Cannot tell from the photo but you Do Not want your wires to touch your headers… time to build some plug wire stays to manage your wires…
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« Reply #222 on: June 18, 2023, 09:50:02 AM »
Definitely not something I want but even just laid up they’re is a sizeable gap, I can tweak and twist how to keep them even farther/stiffer if I need once I’m done cleaning up the harness. I can also stack the wires differently to hold them up. I’m not worried at all about keeping them clear!
Watch I just jinxed myself being so sure lmfao
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Re: Nicklopic's CB650 cafe thing (Top end build with modern suspension)
« Reply #223 on: June 24, 2023, 06:35:25 PM »
I got it all back together and have ridden it a tad. Had some issues with the clutch sticking because I didn't soak them in enough oil but that's sorted. I finally made it to the DMV to reregister it since I let it expire too long and of course the forecast has been nothing but rain rain rain, but unpredictable lol.
Anyway I hooked up my wideband again so i can check AFRs with the new jets. After doing the plug wires, i reloomed the rest of the wiring harness. I used a nice black braided split loom from amazon and tesa 51036 clothe tape. Its the tape revival cycles uses with their harness as well as German OEMs to cover their harnesses. It looks much much better than the plastic garbage i used the first time around. With my new plate I got annoyed having to cut the wires to my bolt LED light i was using. I looked for something i could mount to using the hardware holding the plate on and hated all of it so i made my own. Couple hours in CAD and 3 hours to print and bam. Uses a universal trailer light. I will probably paint the chrome housing wrinkle black like the valve covers and carb tops when the humidity drops.
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« Reply #224 on: June 24, 2023, 06:36:38 PM »
2 more photos including a shot of the bike out of the garage after a trip around the block
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